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« on: March 05, 2017, 04:11:38 AM »
« edited: October 26, 2017, 02:58:12 AM by People's Speaker North Carolina Yankee »

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House Designation: HB 1082 - Return Education To the Regions Act
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2017, 04:12:49 AM »

The Sponsor has 24 hours to begin advocating for this, or else! Evil
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2017, 02:18:00 AM »

This is ing awesome! Where were these pro-regional Laborites in 2014! I could cry. Tongue

The author of this bill would have been called a child abusing, reactionary nazi for introducing this back then.


I'm also not totally clear on who handles education in Atlasia. Would this move the responsibility from the states to the regions, or from the Fed to the regions? Or is it already regionally handled? *looks fleetingly at the resident historian/house speaker*

Generally, since the states are not playable, consider the regions a stand in for the states. Hence "regional rights" instead of "state's rights".

Ostensibly from the federal gov't to the regions. This was actually one promise during the con-con that education would be handled at the regional level more and less at the federal level.

Pre-reset this was one of many issues that had been usurped by the Federal gov't to an extend that the Federal gov't was dictating practically everything.
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2017, 02:20:56 AM »

I think this idea is a fundamentally good one, but I would like to see a better-defined timetable for the transition, or at least some kind of NPC commission to create one.

I'm also not totally clear on who handles education in Atlasia. Would this move the responsibility from the states to the regions, or from the Fed to the regions? Or is it already regionally handled? *looks fleetingly at the resident historian/house speaker*

I haven't seen anything education-related in Atlasia at all.

Maybe I can introduce legislation to put forth office(s) in regards to education.

I think there have been bills at the regional level.

Pre-reset there was some significant regional level action on education in the Northeast of all places, under then Governor Scott.

If he is still interested in the issue, he would be a good Senator to collaborate with on education, of course he is also has healthcare on his plate.
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2017, 04:10:21 PM »

What is the situation here?

I don't like it when I am the last post on a thread a day later. Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2017, 03:41:32 AM »

This level of participation and discourse is rather unsatisfactory.
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2017, 03:39:17 AM »

My preferred approach to education in Atlasia had always been for the Federal gov't to provide assistance and support for regional action and leadership on education.

So that would be basically funding and a minimalist set of guidelines and then let the regions fight it out in their elections for Governor and Legislature over the issue.

Unfortunately, it has been my experience that whenever someone loses out one way or the other in a single region, their first response is always to come crying to Nyman about the need to it all from the central authority in Nyman.
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2017, 08:33:20 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2017, 05:26:49 PM »

I trust now there will be no arguments to the regions handling all manner of education related stuff. Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2017, 02:05:57 AM »

The amendment has been adopted.
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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2017, 02:27:35 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2017, 01:26:12 AM »

I would recommend giving the regions enough time to compose such a framework before the cuts take effect.

Otherwise we will have drastic consequences for our teachers and students.
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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2017, 04:07:03 AM »

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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2017, 05:25:14 AM »
« Edited: March 27, 2017, 03:03:00 AM by People's Speaker North Carolina Yankee »

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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2017, 03:44:12 AM »
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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2017, 04:27:45 AM »

How much will it cut at that time?

We should probably specify that with a subsequent amendment.
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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2017, 04:13:26 AM »

The amendment has been adopted.
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« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2017, 03:02:01 AM »

How much are you guys up for cutting?
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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2017, 10:16:40 PM »


Yankee; I'm beginning to think that we're the only representatives in this house.

Anyway, maybe 10%? 15%?

To determine the activity in the house with the aid of a porposal that does not seem to have broad support is remarkable, but I take that as an invitation to state that we should not cut any resources of the department of education, even though this bill transfers salient tasks to the regions, federal interference is absolutely necessary. Financial resources for federal education programs are important, education is the last thing we should cut from.

How are we suppose to know the level of support for a proposal if the members are not routinely chiming in there opinions on any given proposal or idea?

What happens if an amendment gets adopted to the bill through the friendly amendment process?
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« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2017, 10:20:39 PM »

At the very least we should be able to cut administration and like costs. If tasks are being regionalized, then there is less need for bureaucrats in Nyman.

I agree with not cutting money going to actual teachers and students, at least not until the regions could put up alternative sources of revenues for that.
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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2017, 10:53:46 PM »

Well we don't currently have a national department of education, so maybe we could add that? The only problem is the title "Return Education to the Regions".

Actually we do have a Department of Education.

Historically in Atlasia, the Departments from RL have all considered to have existed within their umbrella Atlasia departments (SoS, SoIA etc). Nothing with regards to the reset has changed that in any regard, though it did delete the statute clarifying it:
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=176810.msg3819194#msg3819194

I have still been using that as a guide of sorts for agency names as I craft legislation like the Research Grant process, and some healthcare texts.
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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2017, 11:08:37 PM »

Well we don't currently have a national department of education, so maybe we could add that? The only problem is the title "Return Education to the Regions".
Actually we do have a Department of Education.

Historically in Atlasia, the Departments from RL have all considered to have existed within their umbrella Atlasia departments (SoS, SoIA etc). Nothing with regards to the reset has changed that in any regard, though it did delete the statute clarifying it:
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=176810.msg3819194#msg3819194

I have still been using that as a guide of sorts for agency names as I craft legislation like the Research Grant process, and some healthcare texts.
Formally re-establishing this was one of the first acts of my brief presidency, accomplished with Executive Order 39-005. Apart from the Subdepartment of Justice (item b), recently reorganized as the independent Department of Justice (Executive Order 42-002), this remains the portfolio of the Internal Affairs Secretary.

Where is health and human services?
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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2017, 12:02:30 AM »

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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2017, 12:04:42 AM »

Who wants to assume sponsorship of this bill. It is still considered one of AZ's.
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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2017, 12:02:01 AM »

Representatives have 24 hours to object to Peebs' assumption of Sponsorship.
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