Puerto Rico status referendum - June 11

[JoshPA]

We will have 51 star flags by the 4th of july!

[Dr. Arch]

We will have 51 star flags by the 4th of july!

It's not happening even if the referendum is overwhelmingly pro-statehood.

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Any polls?

[Dr. Arch]

Any polls?

No. PR doesn't have reliable pollsters.

[TheSaint250]

Any polls?

No. PR doesn't have reliable pollsters.

I'm guessing the final verdict will show statehood winning (most likely with) a majority.

[Dr. Arch]

Any polls?

No. PR doesn't have reliable pollsters.

I'm guessing the final verdict will show statehood winning (most likely with) a majority.

That's the most optimistic scenario for statehood right now. That Fiscal Committee established by Congress has made the economic situation exponentially worse over the last few months, and people are very angry.

[7,052,770]

If statehood wins, would Congress accept them if they agreed to send 1 Republican and 1 Democrat to the Senate? Obviously the agreement couldn't last forever, but Democrats could agree not to run a candidate for one of the seats the first time.

[Heisenberg]

If statehood wins, would Congress accept them if they agreed to send 1 Republican and 1 Democrat to the Senate? Obviously the agreement couldn't last forever, but Democrats could agree not to run a candidate for one of the seats the first time.

The debate is about way more than just he Senate seats.

[windjammer]

I mean, I guess statehood will get the majority. Republicans will not allow it to happen  because they don't want 2 dem senate seats. And when the democratic party controls the trifecta again, both DC and Puerto Rico become respectively 51th and 52th states.

[Gass3268]

I mean, I guess statehood will get the majority. Republicans will not allow it to happen  because they don't want 2 dem senate seats. And when the democratic party controls the trifecta again, both DC and Puerto Rico become respectively 51th and 52th states.

Yup, I would hope that the Democrats pass a rule that filibustering doesn't apply to the admission of new states.

[MasterJedi]

I hope before I die I see Puerto Rico become a US state (but not DC).

[Figueira]

I mean, I guess statehood will get the majority. Republicans will not allow it to happen  because they don't want 2 dem senate seats. And when the democratic party controls the trifecta again, both DC and Puerto Rico become respectively 51th and 52th states.

Yup, I would hope that the Democrats pass a rule that filibustering doesn't apply to the admission of new states.

If/when Democrats get a trifecta I will be very, very upset if DC statehood and (assuming it passes the referendum) Puerto Rican statehood don't happen.

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I mean, I guess statehood will get the majority. Republicans will not allow it to happen  because they don't want 2 dem senate seats. And when the democratic party controls the trifecta again, both DC and Puerto Rico become respectively 51th and 52th states.

Yup, I would hope that the Democrats pass a rule that filibustering doesn't apply to the admission of new states.

If/when Democrats get a trifecta I will be very, very upset if DC statehood and (assuming it passes the referendum) Puerto Rican statehood don't happen.

DC statehood had the support of Joe Lieberman and still didn't happen last time they had a trifecta.

[Kamala]

I mean, I guess statehood will get the majority. Republicans will not allow it to happen  because they don't want 2 dem senate seats. And when the democratic party controls the trifecta again, both DC and Puerto Rico become respectively 51th and 52th states.

Yup, I would hope that the Democrats pass a rule that filibustering doesn't apply to the admission of new states.

If/when Democrats get a trifecta I will be very, very upset if DC statehood and (assuming it passes the referendum) Puerto Rican statehood don't happen.

DC statehood had the support of Joe Lieberman and still didn't happen last time they had a trifecta.

PR statehood is simple; DC requires a constitutional amendment.

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I mean, I guess statehood will get the majority. Republicans will not allow it to happen  because they don't want 2 dem senate seats. And when the democratic party controls the trifecta again, both DC and Puerto Rico become respectively 51th and 52th states.

Yup, I would hope that the Democrats pass a rule that filibustering doesn't apply to the admission of new states.

If/when Democrats get a trifecta I will be very, very upset if DC statehood and (assuming it passes the referendum) Puerto Rican statehood don't happen.

DC statehood had the support of Joe Lieberman and still didn't happen last time they had a trifecta.

PR statehood is simple; DC requires a constitutional amendment.

No it doesn't. Some rump federal district can be declared to contain the US Capital building, White House, and Supreme Court building or something like that.

[Kamala]

I mean, I guess statehood will get the majority. Republicans will not allow it to happen  because they don't want 2 dem senate seats. And when the democratic party controls the trifecta again, both DC and Puerto Rico become respectively 51th and 52th states.

Yup, I would hope that the Democrats pass a rule that filibustering doesn't apply to the admission of new states.

If/when Democrats get a trifecta I will be very, very upset if DC statehood and (assuming it passes the referendum) Puerto Rican statehood don't happen.

DC statehood had the support of Joe Lieberman and still didn't happen last time they had a trifecta.

PR statehood is simple; DC requires a constitutional amendment.

No it doesn't. Some rump federal district can be declared to contain the US Capital building, White House, and Supreme Court building or something like that.

23rd Amendment has to be repealed - otherwise, that rump federal district ALSO gets 3 electoral votes.

[Virginiá]

23rd Amendment has to be repealed - otherwise, that rump federal district ALSO gets 3 electoral votes.

I don't see a problem with that. It can always be legislated in some way to allocate those EVs to whichever party wins the popular vote. While it should be repealed if DC were made a state, I don't think it should hold up the process.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

I mean, I guess statehood will get the majority. Republicans will not allow it to happen  because they don't want 2 dem senate seats. And when the democratic party controls the trifecta again, both DC and Puerto Rico become respectively 51th and 52th states.

Yup, I would hope that the Democrats pass a rule that filibustering doesn't apply to the admission of new states.

If/when Democrats get a trifecta I will be very, very upset if DC statehood and (assuming it passes the referendum) Puerto Rican statehood don't happen.

DC statehood had the support of Joe Lieberman and still didn't happen last time they had a trifecta.

PR statehood is simple; DC requires a constitutional amendment.

No it doesn't. Some rump federal district can be declared to contain the US Capital building, White House, and Supreme Court building or something like that.

23rd Amendment has to be repealed - otherwise, that rump federal district ALSO gets 3 electoral votes.

Well, DC statehood could be approved without that. I imagine once DC is a state, repealing the 23rd amendment should be pretty uncontroversial.

While you're at it, could also repeal everything about a federal district at that point.

[Kamala]

23rd Amendment has to be repealed - otherwise, that rump federal district ALSO gets 3 electoral votes.

I don't see a problem with that. It can always be legislated in some way to allocate those EVs to whichever party wins the popular vote. While it should be repealed if DC were made a state, I don't think it should hold up the process.

Oooh. That's smart. Though I doubt the Republicans will go for it, seeing as Democrats have the popular vote advantage.

[Figueira]

23rd Amendment has to be repealed - otherwise, that rump federal district ALSO gets 3 electoral votes.

I don't see a problem with that. It can always be legislated in some way to allocate those EVs to whichever party wins the popular vote. While it should be repealed if DC were made a state, I don't think it should hold up the process.

Basically.

Since the federal government controls the federal district, I think they can make a law about what happens to those EVs (e.g. they go to the popular vote winner, or the winner of all the other electoral votes, or they get ignored entirely, or whatever).

@Kamala, the Republicans would be mostly irrelevant in this scenario since the Democrats would need to have a trifecta to pass DC statehood in the first place.

[SoLongAtlas]

23rd Amendment has to be repealed - otherwise, that rump federal district ALSO gets 3 electoral votes.

I don't see a problem with that. It can always be legislated in some way to allocate those EVs to whichever party wins the popular vote. While it should be repealed if DC were made a state, I don't think it should hold up the process.

Basically.

Since the federal government controls the federal district, I think they can make a law about what happens to those EVs (e.g. they go to the popular vote winner, or the winner of all the other electoral votes, or they get ignored entirely, or whatever).

@Kamala, the Republicans would be mostly irrelevant in this scenario since the Democrats would need to have a trifecta to pass DC statehood in the first place.

Yes and no with strings. If DC ever becomes a state it would have its 3 electoral votes, 1 at-large rep and 2 senators but here's the kicker: Congress would still be within a new Federal Zone. The "district" of old would just encompass the trifecta of the Capital, WH, SCOTUS (maybe some other admin buildings). This has been talked about in the past.

[TheSaint250]

23rd Amendment has to be repealed - otherwise, that rump federal district ALSO gets 3 electoral votes.

I don't see a problem with that. It can always be legislated in some way to allocate those EVs to whichever party wins the popular vote. While it should be repealed if DC were made a state, I don't think it should hold up the process.

Basically.

Since the federal government controls the federal district, I think they can make a law about what happens to those EVs (e.g. they go to the popular vote winner, or the winner of all the other electoral votes, or they get ignored entirely, or whatever).

@Kamala, the Republicans would be mostly irrelevant in this scenario since the Democrats would need to have a trifecta to pass DC statehood in the first place.

Yes and no with strings. If DC ever becomes a state it would have its 3 electoral votes, 1 at-large rep and 2 senators but here's the kicker: Congress would still be within a new Federal Zone. The "district" of old would just encompass the trifecta of the Capital, WH, SCOTUS (maybe some other admin buildings). This has been talked about in the past.

I usually would not support DC statehood, but if a smaller federal district were to be created, that would make me much more likely to support statehood.  I believe there should be a federal district of some sort.

[SoLongAtlas]

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This is how it could look, white is the new smaller district, red is the state  The DC Statehood Coalition has proposed this http://www.dcstatehoodcoalition.org/why-and-how-of-the-51st-state/path-to-the-51st-state/

[SoLongAtlas]

Map in detail, showing boundary lines http://www.dcstatehoodcoalition.org/app/download/757863833/NewColumbia_StateMap1.pdf

[Figueira]

23rd Amendment has to be repealed - otherwise, that rump federal district ALSO gets 3 electoral votes.

I don't see a problem with that. It can always be legislated in some way to allocate those EVs to whichever party wins the popular vote. While it should be repealed if DC were made a state, I don't think it should hold up the process.

Basically.

Since the federal government controls the federal district, I think they can make a law about what happens to those EVs (e.g. they go to the popular vote winner, or the winner of all the other electoral votes, or they get ignored entirely, or whatever).

@Kamala, the Republicans would be mostly irrelevant in this scenario since the Democrats would need to have a trifecta to pass DC statehood in the first place.

Yes and no with strings. If DC ever becomes a state it would have its 3 electoral votes, 1 at-large rep and 2 senators but here's the kicker: Congress would still be within a new Federal Zone. The "district" of old would just encompass the trifecta of the Capital, WH, SCOTUS (maybe some other admin buildings). This has been talked about in the past.

Yes, that's what we were just saying.