German Federal Election 2017

[Kingpoleon]

Worrying results

You're surprised that the American right-wingers on this site have abandoned even the pretence of an idealogical attachment to small government theory and "liberty" after receiving marchibg orders from their new PRES?

Also troll votes, but don't listen to me.

[Boston Bread]

I would switch to SPD to increase the chances of an SPD lead government. But if R2G has a majority and SPD chooses to work with CDU again, I would be upset. I'd be an SPD-Linke swing voter generally.

[Intell]

I have the impression, that the greens have a large faction that's economically centre-right and very socially liberal, a greener version of the FDP. The politics that green parties represent is anathema to me, as a leftist (my version of leftism anyway).

So ranking the parties;

(Excellent)

1. Left

(Acceptable in a good way)

2. SPD
3. Pirates

(Random Parties Galore)

4. Die PARTEI
5. Free Voters

(Awful Choices to come)

6. CDU/CSU
7. Greens

(Vomit)

8. FDP
9. AfD
10. Liberal Conservative Reformers   


(Die In Trash nazis please)

11. NPD

[Middle-aged Europe]

It seems with the current results there are only two coalitions possible at the moment :

1) SPD-Left-Greens

2) SPD-CDU-Greens-FDP

[Middle-aged Europe]

I have the impression, that the greens have a large faction that's economically centre-right and very socially liberal, a greener version of the FDP. The politics that green parties represent is anathema to me, as a leftist (my version of leftism anyway).

I'd say that the "right" wing of the Greens is in no way more right-wing than the "right" wing of the SPD.

In my experience however, leftists tend to be more pissed about the Greens' "right wing" because they expect the Greens to be generally more left-wing than the SPD and consider it a betrayal of leftism that they're in fact not.

A classic example: The SPD is certainly forming coalitions with the CDU more frequently than the Greens do with the CDU. However, the latter are usually getting more flak for it from the left.

So in essence, the Greens are often considered more right-wing than they actually are because they're not as left-wing as it is  "expected" from them.

Platform-wise, SPD and Greens have been largely identical for quite some time now. Differences exist in emphasis rather than actual policy. The SPD's emphasis lies on social justice, and the Greens emphasis lies on ecology. That doesn't mean however that the SPD isn't pro-environment and neither does it mean that the Greens aren't pro-social justice.

[H. Ross Peron]

SPD I guess.

[Intell]

I have the impression, that the greens have a large faction that's economically centre-right and very socially liberal, a greener version of the FDP. The politics that green parties represent is anathema to me, as a leftist (my version of leftism anyway).

I'd say that the "right" wing of the Greens is in no way more right-wing than the "right" wing of the SPD.

In my experience however, leftists tend to be more pissed about the Greens' "right wing" because they expect the Greens to be generally more left-wing than the SPD and consider it a betrayal of leftism that they're in fact not.

A classic example: The SPD is certainly forming coalitions with the CDU more frequently than the Greens do with the CDU. However, the latter are usually getting more flak for it from the left.

So in essence, the Greens are often considered more right-wing than they actually are because they're not as left-wing as it is  "expected" from them.

Platform-wise, SPD and Greens have been largely identical for quite some time now. Differences exist in emphasis rather than actual policy. The SPD's emphasis lies on social justice, and the Greens emphasis lies on ecology. That doesn't mean however that the SPD isn't pro-environment and neither does it mean that the Greens aren't pro-social justice.

I think for me, it's the fact the greens have to tie to workers/labour unions the SPD do, which keeps them on their toes. SPD still has an impression of being a working class party, and party for labour, while the greens (around the world), are seen as elitst, self-entitled middle-class party of the burgoise, the right-wing faction of the party doesn't help with that. This image, rightly or wrongly, is anathema to me.

The greens also don't have a platform of "socialism" in anyway (how little the SPD does is a different question), but they don't have class poltics, or working class politics in the green party, which is why I dislike green parties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiq-YI42n3Y


3:39, represent a lot of my views (if it's translated well)

[JA]

So the most popular party among English speakers is the one in Saxony that recently submitted a formal inquiry about sterilizing refugee children. Fantastic. As I've said for a while, all the right-wing cries of "freedom" are simply a cover for the preservation of their power and privilege. Thankfully Germans are smarter than Atlas "Conservatives."

As for my vote, I'd probably have to vote for Die Linke. The SPD still seems pretty sold on the "neoliberal" agenda of the past 40 years. We need to move past that already; it has been a total disaster.

[Associate Justice PiT]

So the most popular party among English speakers is the one in Saxony that recently submitted a formal inquiry about sterilizing refugee children. Fantastic. As I've said for a while, all the right-wing cries of "freedom" are simply a cover for the preservation of their power and privilege. Thankfully Germans are smarter than Atlas "Conservatives."

As for my vote, I'd probably have to vote for Die Linke. The SPD still seems pretty sold on the "neoliberal" agenda of the past 40 years. We need to move past that already; it has been a total disaster.

     If the German voters were that smart, they would not have supported ruinous policies that naturally led to the rise of an entity like AfD. The house is on fire and nobody is willing to talk about it. What's worse is that the nature of the EU means that the migrant crisis is not restricted to Germany either, but shared among the nation-states.

[ApatheticAustrian]

If the German voters were that smart, they would not have supported ruinous policies that naturally led to the rise of an entity like AfD. The house is on fire and nobody is willing to talk about it. What's worse is that the nature of the EU means that the migrant crisis is not restricted to Germany either, but shared among the nation-states.

this post sounds like it was written late 2015....not untrue in itself but...very, very outdated.

besides the fact, that german voters never have decided to give shelter to 1xxxxxx refugees in a period of 12 months, which is why it would be strange to blame them.....and everybody is talking about it since at least 1,5 years, but the situation has cooled down since the influx of new refugees has more or less "stopped" aka trickled down so much, that it doesn't really matter anymore.

i am pretty sure, at this point, trashy anglo-saxon and russian yellow press articles are drawing a worse picture than the daily reality for center-europeans actually is.......

and the EU is surely not to blame, that the member states are too paranoid to let brussels create a real outer border, but i don't want to digress even more.

[Associate Justice PiT]

If the German voters were that smart, they would not have supported ruinous policies that naturally led to the rise of an entity like AfD. The house is on fire and nobody is willing to talk about it. What's worse is that the nature of the EU means that the migrant crisis is not restricted to Germany either, but shared among the nation-states.

this post sounds like it was written late 2015....not untrue in itself but...very, very outdated.

besides the fact, that german voters never have decided to give shelter to 1xxxxxx refugees in a period of 12 months, which is why it would be strange to blame them.....and everybody is talking about it since at least 1,5 years, but the situation has cooled down since the influx of new refugees has more or less "stopped" aka trickled down so much, that it doesn't really matter anymore.

i am pretty sure, at this point, trashy anglo-saxon and russian yellow press articles are drawing a worse picture than the daily reality for center-europeans actually is.......

and the EU is surely not to blame, that the member states are too paranoid to let brussels create a real outer border, but i don't want to digress even more.

     You do have a point that this is no longer passing totally unchallenged, but it still concerns me that there is not more outrage over the CDU causing this problem. Merkel will likely win reelection even while engaging in absurd deflections like the proposed burka ban. Under normal circumstances I would totally support the CDU. I want to see them deal with the consequences of their actions however, but I lack confidence in German voters to make that happen.

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

Worrying results

You're surprised that the American right-wingers on this site have abandoned even the pretence of an idealogical attachment to small government theory and "liberty" after receiving marchibg orders from their new PRES?

[JA]

So the most popular party among English speakers is the one in Saxony that recently submitted a formal inquiry about sterilizing refugee children. Fantastic. As I've said for a while, all the right-wing cries of "freedom" are simply a cover for the preservation of their power and privilege. Thankfully Germans are smarter than Atlas "Conservatives."

As for my vote, I'd probably have to vote for Die Linke. The SPD still seems pretty sold on the "neoliberal" agenda of the past 40 years. We need to move past that already; it has been a total disaster.

     If the German voters were that smart, they would not have supported ruinous policies that naturally led to the rise of an entity like AfD. The house is on fire and nobody is willing to talk about it. What's worse is that the nature of the EU means that the migrant crisis is not restricted to Germany either, but shared among the nation-states.

Or perhaps AfD arose in response to the crisis only among the society's most bigoted and nationalistic members. Last I recall they can't seem to escape 10-15% support in polls. Germans may not be enthused about the crisis, but they don't take such a hostile view to it as Americans who don't even live in Europe do. 85-90% of Germans still support political parties that have, to some extent, embraced the intake of refugees. So the perception of those policies being "ruinous" doesn't seem to be a very popular one among Germans who actually live in Germany; only to people such as yourself, who presumably lives in California - thousands of miles away.

Also, it's nice to see that you completely dodged any response to the fact that you support and defend a party that has inquired about euthanizing refugee children. I guess that's just a trivial detail to you. But you'll certainly keep going on about "limited government" or "freedom" or whatever.

[Middle-aged Europe]

I think for me, it's the fact the greens have to tie to workers/labour unions the SPD do, which keeps them on their toes. SPD still has an impression of being a working class party, and party for labour, while the greens (around the world), are seen as elitst, self-entitled middle-class party of the burgoise, the right-wing faction of the party doesn't help with that. This image, rightly or wrongly, is anathema to me.

Well, I agree that this is unfortunately the image. It's only a half-truth though. While the Greens' usually receive less votes from working-class people than the SPD, they're still significantly stronger in that group than the FDP.

In the 2016 Baden-Württemberg state election this was even turned upside down. In that election, 21% of all "workers" voted Green, and only 13% of the working-class voted SPD. And this despite the fact that Baden-Württembergian Greens are certainly the most right-wing of all the Green state chapters. But in that state, the Greens managed to replace the SPD as the leading center-left force.

And as far as labour unions are concerned, the president of the ver.di labor union (2.2 million members) is a member of the Green Party. Then again, ver.di is more of a white-collar union.

3:39, represent a lot of my views (if it's translated well)

It's a Left Party MP. Of course she says bad things about the Greens. She would probably say equally bad things about the SPD. For the Left, both SPD and Greens have betrayed their lefitst principles. Doesn't mean they're comparable to the FDP though.

While it's true that the Greens are less "revolutionary" than they used to be, this of course also applies to the SPD. I'd interpret "lost its revolutionary spirit" as "they became just like the SPD". Keep in mind, that the Greens were originally regarded as more left-wing than the social democrats with many left-wing SPD members joining the party in the 80s.

[Middle-aged Europe]

With regards to Merkel's refugee policies, I'm re-posting these polling numbers:

"Can Germany cope with the many refugees?" (ZDF/Forschungsgruppe Wahlen)
Jan. 2017: Yes 57%, No 41%
Jan. 2016: Yes 37%, No 60%

The difference between Jan. 2016 and Jan. 2017 is of course that 900,000 refugees came to Germany in 2015, while 300,000 refugees came in 2016 (and half of those 300,000 came in January and February 2016).



Some additional numbers on what Germans think about the AfD...

"How widespread are right-wing extremist ideas within the AfD?"
Very widespread 44%
Widespread 38%
Not that widespread 11%
Not at all 1%

"Is the AfD sufficiently distancing itself from right-wing extremist positions?"
Yes 10%
No 81%
Don't know 9%

Numbers from are from late January. As a thumb role, the only people who don't think that the AfD is right-wing extremist are the people who vote AfD.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Worrying results

You're surprised that the American right-wingers on this site have abandoned even the pretence of an idealogical attachment to small government theory and "liberty" after receiving marchibg orders from their new PRES?

Lol. Just goes to show how deep their idealogy was, that it was shed because some moronic antifas shouted at them.

[Goldwater]

CDU, I guess, or maybe FDP. #NeverAfD

[Devout Centrist]

Worrying results

You're surprised that the American right-wingers on this site have abandoned even the pretence of an idealogical attachment to small government theory and "liberty" after receiving marchibg orders from their new PRES?

"Those anti racists were mean to me, so I'll vote for racists to spite them!"

Pathetic f**ks.

[SATW]

CDU-CSU, due to a lack of options.

[DavidB.]

This is one of the few instances where the Atlas results are much better than the expected actual results.

[Tender Branson]

FDP or ÖDP I guess.

[President Johnson]

SPD, the party I'm a member of.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

This is one of the few instances where the Atlas results are much better than the expected actual results.

The far right getting 23% of the vote is SO great

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

LKR most likely.

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

This is one of the few instances where the Atlas results are much better than the expected actual results.

The far right getting 23% of the vote is SO great

Maybe the poll function should be removed from this website. Y'know, just to make sure that no unsavoury opinions see the light of day.