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MarkD
Junior Chimp
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« on: March 07, 2017, 10:17:16 PM »

I would not want to see term limits on Supreme Court Justices, nor anything similar that guarantees more rotation. (I don't even want to adopt term limits on any officials; I think we've already got too many term limits. I would rather repeal the 22nd Amendment, and repeal the term limits on the Governors and state legislators who already have them.) But something does need to be done to reform how we select people for appointment to the Supreme Court. This idea:

I've had similar thoughts. One other solution could be to take the power away from POTUS and give it to the Senate. One plan I thought of was:

1) a shortlist of applicants are drawn up by some sort of council of judges after every other election cycle.
2) the senate, at the start of every other session, selects three picks by secret ballot (to reduce partisan nonsense) and by PR-STV (to ensure a broad diversity of views in each cohort, which would serve as judges for twelve years. (I considered every single session selection a new bench, but thought there would be too much turnover).

... would require a constitutional amendment. Anything like that deserves to have a great deal of discussion. Alan Dershowitz came up with this idea, in his book Supreme Injustice; How the High Court Hijacked Election 2000 (and this would not require a constitutional amendment).
"The first step [in reforming how Supreme Court Justices are appointed] must be to distance the process from partisan politics and to demand that greatness be the major criterion for appointment to the high court, as it is in many other countries and as it has often been in the history of this nation. The Senate and President could begin  by jointly appointing a nonpartisan commission to gather the names of the two dozen or so most distinguished lawyers and judges in the nation, assessed by peer review under the broadest criteria of greatness, without regard to party affiliation, race, gender, ideology, or other such factors. After a thorough investigation, this list would probably be pared down to about ten candidates. The President would be expected - though he could probably not be compelled - to pick a nominee from that pared-down list. ... Any name selected from the commission's list would carry a strong presumption of confirmability by the Senate." (Page 203.)
"If the president and the Senate refuse to take up this effort to depoliticize the process by which justices are nominated, then I believe the bar and the academy should step in. They should appoint a commission to appoint a nonpartisan list of the most qualified potential nominees based on criteria agreed on in advance. This would put pressure on the president and the Senate to look to similar criteria. ..." (Page 204.)
I find it a little funny that Dershowitz does not seem to know how to define "greatness" in a peson who deserves to be appointed to he Supreme Court. He reminds me of Justice Potter Stewart's famous quip that he was not going to try to define hardcore pornography, "but I know it when I see it." In Dershowitz's case, a "great" judge would simply be one who would not rule in favor of a presidential candidate that they like if they hear a case similar to Bush v. Gore. But before he wrote the above sentences, he had already described the quality of "greatness" with some subtlety.
"Legal realists ... have long understood that the arguments put forward by courts to justify their decisions are often simply after-the-fact rationalizations of results reached for reasons they are unwilling to acknowledge publicly - reasons such as ideological, religious, or economic preferences. Lawyers are taught to argue both sides of every issue. Any good lawyer is capable of rationalizing virtually any conclusion he wishes to reach by plausible arguments." (Page 187.)
"Some judges, of course, do actually apply the law in a neutral manner, without regard to their personal preferences. Others deceive themselves into believing that the arguments they are offering are neutral - that is, not explicitly calculated to produce a desired outcome. As an experienced judge once told me, 'The judicial capacity to kid oneself is limitless, because judges want to - need to - persuade themselves that they are doing the right thing.' " (Page 188.)
At this point, Dershowitz seemed to have forgotten to say which judges are better - the ones who make decisions that are based on their own values, or the ones who make decisions neutrally, without imputing their own values. I think the answer ought to be obvious. The latter are the only ones who should be appointed to the Supreme Court.
"If justices are simply lawyers appointed for their political reliability,, then why should the public accept their decisions? For a court to have legitimacy, it must carry the moral authority of the ages and of a historical continuity with the past. It must display a commitment to precedent that constrains the incumbents even when they are strongly tempted to follow their own preferences. The public must be rightly convinced that the decision is a product not of the justices alone but of history, precedent, and law." (Page 202.)
Objectivity. That's what is needed.
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MarkD
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2017, 11:09:52 PM »
« Edited: March 07, 2017, 11:11:59 PM by MarkD »

... but I don't think we should panic and throw out a system that's worked well for a couple centuries because we've had one insanely bad confirmation fight. ...

How about if we've had over a dozen bad confirmation fights in the last 105 years?
Somebody on some internet site several years ago asked how many times have their been very controversial nominations for the Supreme Court in the last 100 years or so. I responded with this list:
Mahlon Pitney, nominated by Taft in 1912, was opposed by many liberals because of a perception he would be consistently hostile to the rights of laborers.
Louis Brandeis, nominated by Wilson in 1916, was opposed by many conservatives because of a perception he was too liberal.
John J. Parker, nominated by Hoover in 1930, was defeated for confirmation in the Senate because of a perception he was racist and anti-labor.
Abe Fortas, nominated for Chief Justice by Johnson in 1968; confirmation in the Senate was stalled by conservatives, until eventually Fortas withdrew his name for consideration.
Clement Haynsworth and G. Harrold Carswell, nominated by Nixon in 1969 and 1970 respectively, both defeated for confirmation by the Senate because of a perception they were racist, too conservative, and were in general "mediocre" in their qualifications.
William Rehnquist, nominated in 1971 by Nixon, opposed by many liberals because of a perception he was too conservative and possibly racist.
William Rehnquist again, nominated for Chief Justice in 1986 by Reagan, opposed by many liberals because of the same perceptions.
Robert Bork, nominated in 1987 by Reagan, defeated for confirmation in the Senate because of a perception that he was too conservative.
Clarence Thomas, nominated in 1991 by Bush41, opposed by many liberals because of a perception he was too conservative and was generally under-qualified.
Harriet Miers, nominated in 2005 by Bush43, nomination withdrawn after conservatives were vociferous about being opposed to her.
Then all four of the last nominations (not counting Gorsuch): Alito, Sotomayor, Kagan, and Garland.
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MarkD
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2017, 08:29:18 PM »

We're somewhat in agreement, Steve, that we don't want to have term limits on the Supreme Court, as I said in my post at 10:17 last night. The process of choosing who to nominate for the Supreme Court and for what reasons the Senate should confirm them has been horrifically politicized, and term limits will not solve that problem at all. That post last night, long as it was, contains my solution to the problem of over-politicization of the Supreme Court.
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