Your STV vote: Netherlands 2017

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

[] 50Plus
[] CDA
[] ChristenUnie
[] D66
[] DENK
[] Forum for Democracy
[] GroenLinks
[] Pirate Party
[] PvdA
[] PvdD
[] PVV
[] SGP
[] SP
[] VoorNederland
[] VVD
     

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

[8] CDA
[7] ChristenUnie
[10] D66
[2] Forum for Democracy
[9] Pirate Party
[1] PVV
[4] SGP
[3] SP
[5] VoorNederland
[6] VVD

[Maxwell]

Ranking as much as I can with my limited knowledge of Netherlands politics.

[1] GroenLinks
[2] SP
[3] PvdD
[4] PvdA
[5] D66
[6] 50Plus
[7] CDA
[8] CU
[9] PVV
[10] VVD

[SWE]

1. PvdD
2-10: Doesn't matter

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

1) Dutch Trudeau
2) Animals
3) ancilla


4) SP
5) PvdUseless
6) CU
7) D66
CDA
9) VVD
10) SGP
10.5) 50 Plus!
11) Erdogan is sexy
12) all the wannabe Wilders who own their own party
Penultimate) VNL
Last) blond idiot

[Kingpoleon]

[] 50Plus
[4] CDA
[7] ChristenUnie
[1] D66
[] DENK
[] Forum for Democracy
[2] GroenLinks
[6] Pirate Party
[5] PvdA
[] PvdD
[] PVV
[] SGP
[] SP
[] VoorNederland
[3] VVD

[Vosem]

1.   Ancilla <3
2.   VVD
3.   SGP
4.   D66
5.   CDA
6.   PvdA
7.   GroenLinks
8.   ChristenUnie
9.   PvdD
10.   PVV
11.   50Plus
12.   Forum for Democracy
13.   VNL
14.   SP
15.   DENK

[Boston Bread]

[6] ChristenUnie
[7] D66
[2] GroenLinks
[5] Pirate Party
[3] PvdA
[4] PvdD
[1] SP

Others would be left off the ballot (know nothing about Forum for Democracy or VoorNederland so didn't consider them)

[MAINEiac4434]

[] 50Plus
[] CDA
[] ChristenUnie
[1] D66
[] DENK
[] Forum for Democracy
[2] GroenLinks
[5] Pirate Party
[3] PvdA
[4] PvdD
[] PVV
[] SGP
[] SP
[] VoorNederland
[] VVD

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

[8] 50Plus
[10] CDA
[] ChristenUnie
[4] D66
[7] DENK
[] Forum for Democracy
[1] GroenLinks
[2] Pirate Party
[3] PvdA
[6] PvdD
[] PVV
[] SGP
[5] SP
[] VoorNederland
[9] VVD

[parochial boy]

[] 50Plus
[6] CDA
[] ChristenUnie
[7] D66
[] DENK
[] Forum for Democracy
[4] GroenLinks
[5] Pirate Party
[3] PvdA
[2] PvdD
[] PVV
[] SGP
[1] SP
[] VoorNederland
[] VVD

[Intell]

[1] SP
[2] Pirate Party
[3] PvdA
[4] D66
[5] PvdD
[6] 50Plus
[7] GroenLinks
[8] CDA
[9] ChristenUnie
[10] VVD
[11] DENK
[12] Forum for Democracy
[13] PVV
[14] VoorNederland
[15] SGP
    

[DC Al Fine]

[] 50Plus
[3] CDA
[2] ChristenUnie
[] D66
[] DENK
[] Forum for Democracy
[] GroenLinks
[] Pirate Party
[] PvdA
[] PvdD
[] PVV
[2] SGP
[] SP
[5] VoorNederland
[4] VVD

[DavidB.]

[13] 50Plus
[6 ] CDA
[7] ChristenUnie
[10] D66
[15] DENK
[2] Forum voor Democratie
[14] GroenLinks
[9] Piratenpartij
[12] PvdA
[8 ] PvdD
[1] PVV
[3] SGP
[11] SP
[4] VoorNederland
[5] VVD

[VPH]

[3] CDA
[1] ChristenUnie
[4] D66
[6] GroenLinks
[7] Pirate Party
[2] PvdA
[5] SP
[8] VVD

[DavidB.]

[1] SP
[2] Pirate Party
[3] PvdA
[4] D66
[5] PvdD
[6] 50Plus
[7] GroenLinks
[8] CDA
[9] ChristenUnie
[10] VVD
[11] DENK
[12] Forum for Democracy
[13] PVV
[14] VoorNederland
[15] SGP

You would never vote D66 (who will cut back on healthcare more than the VVD, want a much more flexible labor market and are pro-TTIP) over PvdD, who are left-wing anti-globalists and basically vote along with the SP on anything.

[] 50Plus
[3] CDA
[2] ChristenUnie
[] D66
[] DENK
[] Forum for Democracy
[] GroenLinks
[] Pirate Party
[] PvdA
[] PvdD
[] PVV
[2] SGP
[] SP
[5] VoorNederland
[4] VVD

Which one first, which one second?

[8] CDA
[7] ChristenUnie
[10] D66
[2] Forum for Democracy
[9] Pirate Party
[1] PVV
[4] SGP
[3] SP
[5] VoorNederland
[6] VVD

SP at #3? Your politics are similar to mine nowadays, and while I sympathize with Roemer, the fact of the matter is that this is not America and our welfare state is already huge. The party also votes along with PvdA and GL on matters regarding immigration all the time, despite not being vocal about it because their base don't like it.

1.   Ancilla <3
2.   VVD
3.   SGP
4.   D66
5.   CDA
6.   PvdA
7.   GroenLinks
8.   ChristenUnie
9.   PvdD
10.   PVV
11.   50Plus
12.   Forum for Democracy
13.   VNL
14.   SP
15.   DENK

Why CU and VNL so low? Seems to me you'd definitely prefer CU over GL, and VNL's economic views fit yours to a T, which would probably be a pretty important point for you if you lived here, since taxes are very high here.

[seb_pard]

[] 50Plus
[] CDA
[] ChristenUnie
[1] D66
[] DENK
[] Forum for Democracy
[2] GroenLinks
[] Pirate Party
[4] PvdA
[] PvdD
[] PVV
[] SGP
[3] SP
[] VoorNederland
[] VVD
    
Strange choices  but by reading the parties (and following the campaign) that would be my preference.

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

[8] CDA
[7] ChristenUnie
[10] D66
[2] Forum for Democracy
[9] Pirate Party
[1] PVV
[4] SGP
[3] SP
[5] VoorNederland
[6] VVD

SP at #3? Your politics are similar to mine nowadays, and while I sympathize with Roemer, the fact of the matter is that this is not America and our welfare state is already huge. The party also votes along with PvdA and GL on matters regarding immigration all the time, despite not being vocal about it because their base don't like it.

My knowledge of recent Dutch politics is very limited. My impression was that the SP was still a party of the anti-globalization left, as it was when Agnes Kant was leader.

[DavidB.]

My knowledge of recent Dutch politics is very limited. My impression was that the SP was still a party of the anti-globalization left, as it was when Agnes Kant was leader.

Yeah, this is the story foreign media always come up with, and I don't know how often I've had to dispel the fiction that the SP are against mass immigration or somehow different than their counterparts in other Western European countries. Gastarbeid en Kapitaal, written in the 80s, was critical of immigration, but since the SP entered parliament in the 1990s they have always voted along with the other left-wing parties when it comes to immigration, integration and crime. In 2006, the SP did not win 26 seats on a platform of less immigration: they rather employed the tactic of being silent about the issue (they know their base doesn't like what they do) and if asked about it attribute all disparities between Dutch and immigrants to socio-economic inequality. Not convincing to someone like me and, I would think, to someone like you. They can come back when they genuinely become critical of immigration. Other than that they are, indeed, part of the anti-globalization left, but if that means opening the borders to all of the third world and erasing our culture anyway, then I'm having none of it.

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

My knowledge of recent Dutch politics is very limited. My impression was that the SP was still a party of the anti-globalization left, as it was when Agnes Kant was leader.

Yeah, this is the story foreign media always come up with, and I don't know how often I've had to dispel the fiction that the SP are against mass immigration or somehow different than their counterparts in other Western European countries. Gastarbeid en Kapitaal, written in the 80s, was critical of immigration, but since the SP entered parliament in the 1990s they have always voted along with the other left-wing parties when it comes to immigration, integration and crime. In 2006, the SP did not win 26 seats on a platform of less immigration: they rather employed the tactic of being silent about the issue (they know their base doesn't like what they do) and if asked about it attribute all disparities between Dutch and immigrants to socio-economic inequality. Not convincing to someone like me and, I would think, to someone like you. They can come back when they genuinely become critical of immigration. Other than that they are, indeed, part of the anti-globalization left, but if that means opening the borders to all of the third world and erasing our culture anyway, then I'm having none of it.

Sad! I appreciate the correction. 

[parochial boy]

My knowledge of recent Dutch politics is very limited. My impression was that the SP was still a party of the anti-globalization left, as it was when Agnes Kant was leader.

Yeah, this is the story foreign media always come up with, and I don't know how often I've had to dispel the fiction that the SP are against mass immigration or somehow different than their counterparts in other Western European countries. Gastarbeid en Kapitaal, written in the 80s, was critical of immigration, but since the SP entered parliament in the 1990s they have always voted along with the other left-wing parties when it comes to immigration, integration and crime. In 2006, the SP did not win 26 seats on a platform of less immigration: they rather employed the tactic of being silent about the issue (they know their base doesn't like what they do) and if asked about it attribute all disparities between Dutch and immigrants to socio-economic inequality. Not convincing to someone like me and, I would think, to someone like you. They can come back when they genuinely become critical of immigration. Other than that they are, indeed, part of the anti-globalization left, but if that means opening the borders to all of the third world and erasing our culture anyway, then I'm having none of it.

Probably the wrong place to ask this, but who is the SP's base any way? Are thez *shudder* actually working class?

My impression of Europe's hard left parties is that they tend to be mostly supported by middle class lefties, but GL seem to have that demographic in the Netherlands.

[H. Ross Peron]

[6] 50Plus
[8] CDA
[2] ChristenUnie
[9] D66
[15] DENK
[11] Forum for Democracy
[3] GroenLinks
[5] Pirate Party
[7] PvdA
[4] PvdD
[13] PVV
[14] SGP
[1] SP
[12] VoorNederland
[10] VVD
     

[DavidB.]

Probably the wrong place to ask this, but who is the SP's base any way? Are thez *shudder* actually working class?

My impression of Europe's hard left parties is that they tend to be mostly supported by middle class lefties, but GL seem to have that demographic in the Netherlands.

Yeah, SP voters are often working class, and many live outside the urban West (though they also do decently in many industrial or post-industrial areas in the urban West). They especially do well in the poor northeast and in the southeast, where voters are dealigned and the populist, activist SP has much more appeal than the middle-class, socially progressive, "Amsterdam" PvdA, whose base is much more middle-class than, say, that of the German SPD.

I do think the European hard left is relatively often supported by "real" working-class people.

[sparkey]

[9] 50Plus
[5] CDA
[11] ChristenUnie
[4] D66
[15] DENK
[6] Forum for Democracy
[10] GroenLinks
[3] Pirate Party
[7] PvdA
[13] PvdD
[8] PVV
[14] SGP
[12] SP
[2] VoorNederland
[1] VVD


Does anyone know the positions of the Dutch Libertarian Party? Are they radical, considering that classical liberalism is already pretty well represented in Dutch politics?

[H. Ross Peron]

Probably the wrong place to ask this, but who is the SP's base any way? Are thez *shudder* actually working class?

My impression of Europe's hard left parties is that they tend to be mostly supported by middle class lefties, but GL seem to have that demographic in the Netherlands.

Yeah, SP voters are often working class, and many live outside the urban West (though they also do decently in many industrial or post-industrial areas in the urban West). They especially do well in the poor northeast and in the southeast, where voters are dealigned and the populist, activist SP has much more appeal than the middle-class, socially progressive, "Amsterdam" PvdA, whose base is much more middle-class than, say, that of the German SPD.

I do think the European hard left is relatively often supported by "real" working-class people.

Curious what you think of my choices.