Ryan: This is Our Last Chance to Repeal Obamacare

[Frodo]

Interesting -so if the repeal effort fails this year, Obamacare will become as entrenched as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid:

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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/paul-ryan-obamacare-repeal-last-chance-235877

[Hindsight was 2020]

I get Trump is inexperience but why does he want to tie himself to a bill Eric Bolling, Ann Coulter, and Brietbart all hate?

[Maxwell]

rofl lmao they might not repeal Obamacare.

[The Other Castro]

Tbh 2012 was their last chance to repeal Obamacare.

[Frodo]

Tbh 2012 was their last chance to repeal Obamacare.

2012 was their last best chance, as that program was then too new to have acquired a constituency of its own to defend it.

2017 is their last chance, period. 

[EnglishPete]

Interesting article from blog Conservative Treehouse (early Trump supporters) making the case to Constitutional conservatives to accept the Trump bill.

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Full article here : https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/07/why-obamacare-cannot-simply-be-repealed/

[Pericles]

2019 if they get more GOP Senators could be their last chance. The fallout may not properly land by 2020 then.

[Hermit For Peace]

Give it up already! Who wants a health care system that is in such turmoil? That has not been thought out thoroughly. That the party in power wants to ramrod through instead of waiting for the CBO numbers.

If the GOP has such a better idea, why are they in such disagreement about it?

Give it up I say and just try to make what exists better instead of repealing what has been helping millions of people already for years.

Are you guys insane?

[EnglishPete]

Give it up already! Who wants a health care system that is in such turmoil? That has not been thought out thoroughly. That the party in power wants to ramrod through instead of waiting for the CBO numbers.

If the GOP has such a better idea, why are they in such disagreement about it?

Give it up I say and just try to make what exists better instead of repealing what has been helping millions of people already for years.

Are you guys insane?

Republicans have being banging on about this for seven years now making their key issue. Now they're looking like the dog that caught the car. Seems like they really didn't expect to win last November.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Give it up already! Who wants a health care system that is in such turmoil? That has not been thought out thoroughly. That the party in power wants to ramrod through instead of waiting for the CBO numbers.

If the GOP has such a better idea, why are they in such disagreement about it?

Give it up I say and just try to make what exists better instead of repealing what has been helping millions of people already for years.

Are you guys insane?

But they can't let a law stand which is nicknamed Obamacare!!

[Ebowed]

There will be plenty of chances to repeal the ACA and replace it with Medicare-for-all, but it's going to require throwing out the Republicans first.

[KingSweden]

Give it up already! Who wants a health care system that is in such turmoil? That has not been thought out thoroughly. That the party in power wants to ramrod through instead of waiting for the CBO numbers.

If the GOP has such a better idea, why are they in such disagreement about it?

Give it up I say and just try to make what exists better instead of repealing what has been helping millions of people already for years.

Are you guys insane?

Republicans have being banging on about this for seven years now making their key issue. Now they're looking like the dog that caught the car. Seems like they really didn't expect to win last November.

Remarkable... an English Pete post that I think is right on the money

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

2019 if they get more GOP Senators could be their last chance. The fallout may not properly land by 2020 then.

The GOP gaining eight seats is only marginally more possible than the Democrats gaining three.  The best the GOP can realistically hope for in the Senate mid-terms is to pick up a few seats so they don't have to worry as much about a few defections on close votes such as this.

[I Won - Get Over It]

Give it up already! Who wants a health care system that is in such turmoil? That has not been thought out thoroughly. That the party in power wants to ramrod through instead of waiting for the CBO numbers.

If the GOP has such a better idea, why are they in such disagreement about it?

Give it up I say and just try to make what exists better instead of repealing what has been helping millions of people already for years.

Are you guys insane?

But they can't let a law stand which is nicknamed Obamacare!!

My bet is that they'll make a symbolic modification and... change the name!

Or they will undermine it and let it fail... and blame on Obama/Democrats.

[Dr. Arch]

Newsflash, it's already entrenched.

[DrScholl]

Obamacare will never be repealed.

[EnglishPete]

Newsflash, it's already entrenched.

Exactly. Interesting quote from British businessman and pollster Lord Ashcroft on some of his research

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http://time.com/4696922/donald-trump-white-house-strategy

In other words when Republican voters say they are 'against Obamacare' what they mean is that they want a much more efficient and less expensive version of the existing system. There doesn't appear to me (from across the Atlantic) to be any great appetite to return to the previous system from voters of either party.

Those Republicans who think they can just repeal and return to the status quo ante before working on setting up a new system are living in a dream world. It will never happen. That ship sailed when Bush left office. They need to focus on the task of making a more efficient healthcare system and forget about fantasies of starting from scratch.

[JA]

The ACA, despite all it's obvious flaws, will remain. The best Republicans can do is tweak it and implement some of their ideal policies, such as purchasing healthcare across state lines. All future Democratic administrations will push for universal, Medicare for all healthcare, which will be the logical next step.

[The_Doctor]

Anyone advocating repeal of the NHS would be hounded out of office. Even UKIP supports the NHS. It's near universally supported.

The Republican Party are idiots. There's a free market set of solutions to make healthcare affordable but they won't take it. It would require challenging the drug lobby, HMOs, and pushing reforms that would incentivize a healthier populace.

The law that Trump wanted isn't gonna pass because the Republican Party has no clue what to do.

[Ronnie]

Whenever a party says "this is our last chance to..." - it heads for eventual, epic failure.  See, e.g., Republicans on trying to ban Gay Marriage circa 2002......

Remember when Trump said, "this is our last chance to save our country"?  Probably not a great sign for his presidency (or our country).

[JA]

Newsflash, it's already entrenched.

Exactly. Interesting quote from British businessman and pollster Lord Ashcroft on some of his research

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http://time.com/4696922/donald-trump-white-house-strategy

In other words when Republican voters say they are 'against Obamacare' what they mean is that they want a much more efficient and less expensive version of the existing system. There doesn't appear to me (from across the Atlantic) to be any great appetite to return to the previous system from voters of either party.

Those Republicans who think they can just repeal and return to the status quo ante before working on setting up a new system are living in a dream world. It will never happen. That ship sailed when Bush left office. They need to focus on the task of making a more efficient healthcare system and forget about fantasies of starting from scratch.

EnglishPete, is the NHS as bad as the Republicans make it out to be? According to the dopey GOP here...hundreds of thousands are dying due to the commie NHS with 1 year waiting lists. Tell me if you'd rather switch over to the glorious USA number 1 health care system?

My girlfriend is from England and the answer is no, the NHS is not bad. It's being seriously underfunded now thanks to the Tory government, which has resulted in doctor strikes and some shortages, but generally the system is highly efficient and neither my girlfriend nor her family have had any serious complaints about the system. Her father is mostly blind and has been admitted frequently for surgery on his eyes due to infections, which have all been performed quickly and successfully. None of her family have ever experienced delayed wait times; at least no worse than a few weeks for non-major issues. In fact, my mom has been waiting since November to have an appointment with a rheumatologist since the earliest they could schedule her is April 8th - and that's with insurance and her having untreated fibro myalgia and aggressive osteoarthritis (which they won't treat until she has this follow up appointment). But hey, this is America so that obviously can't be happening.

[The_Doctor]

Remember ObamaCare was created because the support for healthcare reform had reached critical mass and the costs and need to insure people were clearly pressing problems. This is why repeal of the law is astronomically hard.

[ApatheticAustrian]

the real trick is, that the people who got coverage through Ocare mostly live in red states....repeal is cutting your own flesh.

[The_Doctor]

the real trick is, that the people who are got coverage through Ocare mostly live in red states....repeal is cutting your own flesh.

Bingo. A lot of the subsidies and Medicaid money are flowing to red states. Cut them off and the problem reaches critical mass again and these voters will make the appropriate calculations to back a Sanders Democratic coalition.

They shoehorned Medicaid reforms into the bill making it even harder to pass.

[The_Doctor]

Anyone advocating repeal of the NHS would be hounded out of office. Even UKIP supports the NHS. It's near universally supported.

The Republican Party are idiots. There's a free market set of solutions to make healthcare affordable but they won't take it. It would require challenging the drug lobby, HMOs, and pushing reforms that would incentivize a healthier populace.

The law that Trump wanted isn't gonna pass because the Republican Party has no clue what to do.

This is why the Dems should of went single-payer

The GOP wouldn't even be able to touch it had they went this route

If you go back and read the editorials written by Conservative columnists about "Hillarycare" in the early 90s. They wanted it to fail because they feared a far reaching universal health care system would create a solidarity between all voters of all parties and class thus giving the Democrats the mantle back as the true fighters of the working class. Here's what dopey Kristol wrote:

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The battle against Universal Health Care by the Republicans is about killing poor people without health care so the Democrats can't claim the mantle as the party of the working class and protector of the middle class

This is on point.

The day a universal health care scheme passes in this country we go to British style conservatism, which essentially accepts a strong welfare state as a given. Obama knew this so that's in particular one political reason he enacted the law. He knows that a universal healthcare plan will have far reaching consequences for our politics. It's why Ryan is pushing so hard for TrumpCare.

A loss on this puts the Reagan era on the clock and starts us on the road to replacing the ACA with a much stronger health care law.