Ryan: This is Our Last Chance to Repeal Obamacare

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

Ryan's lyin'.

Ocare can easily be repealed in 2017, 2018, 2019, or even 2020 (but the last only if they were morons). All they have to do is come up with a bill to satisfy a majority of Senators.

[ApatheticAustrian]

ofc they can repeal it but the political costs are increasing each day.

[The_Doctor]

@Mondale.  Yup. I don't know about single-payer but some variation on a European health care system that goes further than the ACA.

To repeal the ACA you need a mandate. And well Trumpy doesn't have that so. ..

[Trapsy]

What has Paul Ryan actually accomplished as Speaker? For all the criticism Pelsoi gets she could actually deliver the votes.

[ApatheticAustrian]

What has Paul Ryan actually accomplished as Speaker? For all the criticism Pelsoi gets she could actually deliver the votes.

he is handling the republican caucus and survived trump....more than most could handle.

but yeah, pelosi is effing effective.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Ryan's lyin'.

Ocare can easily be repealed in 2017, 2018, 2019, or even 2020 (but the last only if they were morons). All they have to do is come up with a bill to satisfy a majority of Senators.

Failure to do something that can be presented as a repeal of Obamacare even if all it does is tweak the Affordable Care Act will mean the GOP will do poorly in the midterms. A bad replacement will have a similar effect. It's not impossible for the GOP to square the circle, but it'll be tough to do.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Excellent. This means that all we have to do is mobilize to save it now.

[EnglishPete]

Newsflash, it's already entrenched.

Exactly. Interesting quote from British businessman and pollster Lord Ashcroft on some of his research

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http://time.com/4696922/donald-trump-white-house-strategy

In other words when Republican voters say they are 'against Obamacare' what they mean is that they want a much more efficient and less expensive version of the existing system. There doesn't appear to me (from across the Atlantic) to be any great appetite to return to the previous system from voters of either party.

Those Republicans who think they can just repeal and return to the status quo ante before working on setting up a new system are living in a dream world. It will never happen. That ship sailed when Bush left office. They need to focus on the task of making a more efficient healthcare system and forget about fantasies of starting from scratch.

EnglishPete, is the NHS as bad as the Republicans make it out to be? According to the dopey GOP here ..hundreds of thousands are dying due to the commie NHS with 1 year waiting lists.

No, the NHS is pretty good. There are waiting lists but they're much lower than they used to be 20 years ago and from the sounds of some of the comments here not longer than in the US. And if you have the money and want to skip even those waiting lists there are still private insurance companies like BUPA that provide that. In my experience and those of people I know the quality of care on the NHS is good as well. The fact that its free at the point of use (apart from minor charges like the £8.40 prescription charge) is an enormous boon to the UK middle class. They don't have to panic about insurance fees when someone in the family is ill and if they want to start a small business and employ people they don't have the burden of providing insurance for themselves and their potential employees (or worry that they have uninsured employees)

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Absolutely not. A couple of years ago when Farage was still UKIP leader he mused about the idea of switching UK health provision to an insurance based system. There was a big outcry about this even from within his own party and he had to rush out saying that this was just his own opinion, not party policy. He also had to say that he was talking about something along the lines of the French or Dutch models and that of course no one would suggest following the US model.

[Badger]

Give it up already! Who wants a health care system that is in such turmoil? That has not been thought out thoroughly. That the party in power wants to ramrod through instead of waiting for the CBO numbers.

If the GOP has such a better idea, why are they in such disagreement about it?

Give it up I say and just try to make what exists better instead of repealing what has been helping millions of people already for years.

Are you guys insane?

Republicans have being banging on about this for seven years now making their key issue. Now they're looking like the dog that caught the car. Seems like they really didn't expect to win last November.

Remarkable... an English Pete post that I think is right on the money

[Torie]

Perhaps someone mentioned this above, but how does one square the circle of the twin Ryan claims that 1) Obamacare is collapsing of its own weight, and 2) this is the last chance to repeal it? If the ACA is collapsing of its own weight, in effect will it not be self repealing?  If the twin claims are mutually inconsistent, which claim is one to believe, or should neither be believed? Can someone help me out here? Thanks.

[The Other Castro]

Perhaps someone mentioned this above, but how does one square the circle of the twin Ryan claims that 1) Obamacare is collapsing of its own weight, and 2) this is the last chance to repeal it? If the ACA is collapsing of its own weight, in effect will it not be self repealing?  If the twin claims are mutually inconsistent, which claim is one to believe, or should neither be believed? Can someone help me out here? Thanks.

Politicians lie, and make a living based on how good they are at making you believe what they want you to believe.

[pbrower2a]

2019 if they get more GOP Senators could be their last chance. The fallout may not properly land by 2020 then.

They have to keep the House in 2018 even if Republicans make gains in the Senate.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Perhaps someone mentioned this above, but how does one square the circle of the twin Ryan claims that 1) Obamacare is collapsing of its own weight, and 2) this is the last chance to repeal it? If the ACA is collapsing of its own weight, in effect will it not be self repealing?  If the twin claims are mutually inconsistent, which claim is one to believe, or should neither be believed? Can someone help me out here? Thanks.

He lied about 1) and was truthful about 2).

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

There will be plenty of chances to repeal the ACA and replace it with Medicare-for-all, but it's going to require throwing out the Republicans first.

Single payer is never passing, sorry.

[EnglishPete]

Just put this 2014  I found map here



If this map is accurate then the only two European or European diaspora majority countries without some form of universal healthcare are the US and Belarus! Sounds believable.

[The_Doctor]

This thread is a classic example of why the Right in Europe is not comparable to the Right in the United States. The European Right is far more big government than we are and find the American right baffling in their opposition to single payer. They are far more open to the welfare state than we are.

I, myself, don't back favor universal healthcare, Medicare for all, or single payer & and would prefer to restructure healthcare along the lines of guaranteeing more competition, restricting Medicare benefits to the truly needy, etc. while mandating a floor of coverage and care that would be of a quality nature. It's funny, because my position is to the right of Farage.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Belarus did surprise me.

[Ronnie]

There will be plenty of chances to repeal the ACA and replace it with Medicare-for-all, but it's going to require throwing out the Republicans first.

Single payer is never passing, sorry.

You might be surprised at how much Democrats will be able to get done after 8 years of the ReTrumplicans trashing this country.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

UHC is kind of aj abused term. It doesn't necessarily mean that the government provides health coverage or that there are no usage fees or that every citizen will get equal healthcare or whatever - all it means is that all citizens are able to receive healthcare without incurring significant financial hardships.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Isn't Obamacare at least an attempt at universal health care?

To a point. It didn't end up being all that universal though. If it's going to become universal, it needs a comprehensive revision.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Ocare is the foot in the doorstep which you can never ever close again without serious voter punishment.

the next step is obviously to smash that door to pieces.

[Frodo]

This thread is a classic example of why the Right in Europe is not comparable to the Right in the United States. The European Right is far more big government than we are and find the American right baffling in their opposition to single payer. They are far more open to the welfare state than we are.

I, myself, don't back favor universal healthcare, Medicare for all, or single payer & and would prefer to restructure healthcare along the lines of guaranteeing more competition, restricting Medicare benefits to the truly needy, etc. while mandating a floor of coverage and care that would be of a quality nature. It's funny, because my position is to the right of Farage.

Something like Switzerland, perhaps?

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The Swiss franc (CHF) has nearly the same value as the US dollar, so CHF 400 works out to nearly $400.00.

[Frodo]

As an addendum, Speaker Ryan mentioned that should the GOP effort to repeal and replace Obamacare fail, it will be a 'momentum-killer' for the rest of their agenda.

If that doesn't motivate you to ensure they fail (and fail miserably) by calling and/or writing your congressman and senators, I don't know what will.  

^Is that $400 a month or a year?

Monthly. 

[anvi]

Not commenting on the merits of the bill, which are very few compared to its vices.  But putting this in front of House committees to forward to the floor without any cost or coverage estimates from the CBO is over-the-moon irresponsible.  Yeah, they told us, the problem with the ACA was that they "rammed it down our throats," despite a year's worth of 180-some hearings, industry and congressional negotiations etc. etc.  But this one doesn't require industry negotiation, informed hearings, or even a month and a half of congressional deliberations, because it's our "last chance."  Dear GOP, you're a joke without a punchline. 

[I Won - Get Over It]

This thread is a classic example of why the Right in Europe is not comparable to the Right in the United States. The European Right is far more big government than we are and find the American right baffling in their opposition to single payer. They are far more open to the welfare state than we are.

Yes. And Far Right (alt-Right?) in Europe are often even more "left" on welfare than 'typical' Right.