Still the best analysis of why Clinton lost to Trump.

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https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/clinton-election-polls-white-workers-firewall/

Every word here is gold. Appreciate it even more reading in March than in November.

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1994 Crime Bill,

Wait, how was this a disaster? Crime is like half of what it was in the 80s/early 90s.

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Crime started declining after 1991. T

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Looks like to me the decline started during 1994, not 1991. 23,440 murders in 1990, but 24,530 in 1993. By 1999 it's at 15,522.

Normally I wouldn't comment on this stuff but this type of thinking is getting people killed. Mass incarceration works. It's one of the few things Bill got right. We need LESS criminals on the street, not MORE. LMAO!

[Technocracy Timmy]

Crime started declining after 1991. T

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Looks like to me the decline started during 1994, not 1991. 23,440 murders in 1990, but 24,530 in 1993. By 1999 it's at 15,522.

Normally I wouldn't comment on this stuff but this type of thinking is getting people killed. Mass incarceration works. It's one of the few things Bill got right. We need LESS criminals on the street, not MORE. LMAO!

On the flip side, there's quite a bit of evidence to suggest that crime started dropping as a result of abortion becoming more accessible 18 years after Roe v. Wade.

[Beet]

Guys, Bill Clinton was the greatest president since Ronald Reagan -- successful everything, but Bill Clinton has not been president for 16 years. People have too much of a tendency to blame Bill for all the failures of his successors -- Bush and Obama. His policies were right for his time. When the times change, policies change. It's not his fault that Bush and Obama took his stuff too far, or didn't adjust them to changing circumstances. If Rutherford Hayes was still burning Atlanta in 1878, you wouldn't say that Lincoln was a terrible president for burning Atlanta.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

Crime started declining after 1991. T

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Looks like to me the decline started during 1994, not 1991. 23,440 murders in 1990, but 24,530 in 1993. By 1999 it's at 15,522.

Normally I wouldn't comment on this stuff but this type of thinking is getting people killed. Mass incarceration works. It's one of the few things Bill got right. We need LESS criminals on the street, not MORE. LMAO!

On the flip side, there's quite a bit of evidence to suggest that crime started dropping as a result of abortion becoming more accessible 18 years after Roe v. Wade.

-Nope. Look at crime-rates for 14-15 year-olds. Highest for those born in the years just after abortion legalization.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/abortion-and-crime-sailer-responds-to/

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

The real problem with the Dems is the Third Way DLC inspired bullshyt that Clintonism has been shoving down our throats which has left the Democratic Party with no identity. Years ago, the Dems used to cart out Bill Clinton every chance they could get but they dont do that anymore since virtually all of his policy ideas were disasters: NAFTA, 1994 Crime Bill, 1996 Welfare "Reform." All of these were policies were epic failures which killed working class whites(NAFTA), the black family (1994 crime bill), and single mothers (welfare "reform)- which are core Democratic constituencies.

Bill Clinton was hailed in the 90s as the guy who brought closure to the New Deal wing of the Democratic party and moved the party so far to the right that ideologically, the Democrats today are far less liberal than 70s Republicans.

On top of that, the Democratic Party is a party run by an insulated professional elite who claim to speak for the working class though nobody asked them to and most would bail from the party in a heartbeat if their was an actual alternative. Many of the elite at the top of the party never associate with the working class in real life and think they can educate or block grant their way out of every economic problem the working class face.

Brutal, but a fairly true assessment.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

Crime started declining after 1991. T

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Looks like to me the decline started during 1994, not 1991. 23,440 murders in 1990, but 24,530 in 1993. By 1999 it's at 15,522.

Normally I wouldn't comment on this stuff but this type of thinking is getting people killed. Mass incarceration works. It's one of the few things Bill got right. We need LESS criminals on the street, not MORE. LMAO!

On the flip side, there's quite a bit of evidence to suggest that crime started dropping as a result of abortion becoming more accessible 18 years after Roe v. Wade.

-Nope. Look at crime-rates for 14-15 year-olds. Highest for those born in the years just after abortion legalization.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/abortion-and-crime-sailer-responds-to/

That's not the argument being being made in regards to Roe v. Wade dropping crime rates.

The crime rates today would've been even higher if there were more impoverished single mothers having to raise even more children without access to abortion. In other words we kept the number of potential future criminals off the streets.

Sounds harsh but it's true.

-There's no real evidence it is. And I'm not some anti-abortion fanatic like ExtremeRepublican or RFayette. Read the post I linked to.

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The real problem with the Dems is the Third Way DLC inspired bullshyt that Clintonism has been shoving down our throats which has left the Democratic Party with no identity. Years ago, the Dems used to cart out Bill Clinton every chance they could get but they dont do that anymore since virtually all of his policy ideas were disasters: NAFTA, 1994 Crime Bill, 1996 Welfare "Reform." All of these were policies were epic failures which killed working class whites(NAFTA), the black family (1994 crime bill), and single mothers (welfare "reform)- which are core Democratic constituencies.

Bill Clinton was hailed in the 90s as the guy who brought closure to the New Deal wing of the Democratic party and moved the party so far to the right that ideologically, the Democrats today are far less liberal than 70s Republicans.

On top of that, the Democratic Party is a party run by an insulated professional elite who claim to speak for the working class though nobody asked them to and most would bail from the party in a heartbeat if their was an actual alternative. Many of the elite at the top of the party never associate with the working class in real life and think they can educate or block grant their way out of every economic problem the working class face.

Good analysis, One State.

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1994 Crime Bill,

Wait, how was this a disaster? Crime is like half of what it was in the 80s/early 90s.

Crime started declining after 1991. The 1994 Crime bill did more to jail minorities unfairly and severely damaged the black family. It's also the reason the US has the most mass incarceration out of any country in the world. Clinton renounced the bill in 2015 and even Newt Gingirch said it's effects were terrible and regrets crafting the legislation and has been lobbying to undo the bill.

Clinton was warned by the black caucus to veto the bill in 1994 saying it would be a disaster but he went along with it anyway.

Whatever the bill's effect on the Black family, Black suicide (esp among males) has dropped precipitously since 1994.

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Great read, thanks for posting!

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These must be the unironic Hillary supporters one sees on the Internet.

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Guys, Bill Clinton was the greatest president since Ronald Reagan

That's an incredibly low bar.

And lmao at the rest of your post.

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1994 Crime Bill,

Wait, how was this a disaster? Crime is like half of what it was in the 80s/early 90s.

The real anti crime bill was the bill banning leaded gasoline.

[Fuzzy Bear]

The real problem with the Dems is the Third Way DLC inspired bullshyt that Clintonism has been shoving down our throats which has left the Democratic Party with no identity. Years ago, the Dems used to cart out Bill Clinton every chance they could get but they dont do that anymore since virtually all of his policy ideas were disasters: NAFTA, 1994 Crime Bill, 1996 Welfare "Reform." All of these were policies were epic failures which killed working class whites(NAFTA), the black family (1994 crime bill), and single mothers (welfare "reform)- which are core Democratic constituencies.

Bill Clinton was hailed in the 90s as the guy who brought closure to the New Deal wing of the Democratic party and moved the party so far to the right that ideologically, the Democrats today are far less liberal than 70s Republicans.

On top of that, the Democratic Party is a party run by an insulated professional elite who claim to speak for the working class though nobody asked them to and most would bail from the party in a heartbeat if their was an actual alternative. Many of the elite at the top of the party never associate with the working class in real life and think they can educate or block grant their way out of every economic problem the working class face.

This.

[Fuzzy Bear]

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/thomas-franks-heartbreaking-explanation-of-how-trump-won-points-a-finger-at-liberals/

Thomas Frank weighs in.  He, too, gets it.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

The real problem with the Dems is the Third Way DLC inspired bullshyt that Clintonism has been shoving down our throats which has left the Democratic Party with no identity. Years ago, the Dems used to cart out Bill Clinton every chance they could get but they dont do that anymore since virtually all of his policy ideas were disasters: NAFTA, 1994 Crime Bill, 1996 Welfare "Reform." All of these were policies were epic failures which killed working class whites(NAFTA), the black family (1994 crime bill), and single mothers (welfare "reform)- which are core Democratic constituencies.

Bill Clinton was hailed in the 90s as the guy who brought closure to the New Deal wing of the Democratic party and moved the party so far to the right that ideologically, the Democrats today are far less liberal than 70s Republicans.

On top of that, the Democratic Party is a party run by an insulated professional elite who claim to speak for the working class though nobody asked them to and most would bail from the party in a heartbeat if their was an actual alternative. Many of the elite at the top of the party never associate with the working class in real life and think they can educate or block grant their way out of every economic problem the working class face.

A friendly reminder that Bill  was the last democrat to win WV, KT, MO, AR, and LA, on the backs of working class voters. WVs current D senator is quite the economic conservative. The democrats today are not "less liberal then 70s republicans". Obama has already moved the party (and the country) to the left. Clinton was proposing things like a 12.5$ minimum wage before bernie had even showed up. She wasn't really much of a centrist by american standards. There is definitely a professional class in the democratic party, but it is neither as influential or conservative as you claim.