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EnglishPete
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« on: March 11, 2017, 09:50:36 AM »

I guess it never occurred to Republicans that perhaps the problem isn't that liberal arts departments in universities are almost universally left-of-center due to any form of indoctrination, but rather that intense academic study and research inclines these individuals towards a left-of-center worldview. For example, as a Sociology student, there's very little in the discipline that'd incline someone to adopt right-wing politics unless they're sociopaths. This isn't simply because our professors are left wing or the texts we read, but because we're exposed to so many injustices and how they're largely socially constructed (sexism, transphobia, homophobia, racism, xenophobia, white privilege, heteronormativity, etc). Thus, to be rightwing would be, essentially, to embrace those phobias and the unjust privileges associated with them.

But, considering Republicans are terrified of education because it's all "indoctrination," they'd never understand that. They'd rather place ignorant people in charge of education as if that'll somehow fix things.
Or it could be that these subjects develop a certain ideological bent where certain ideological points of view are ruthlessly purged whilst others are heavily promoted.

For example you may study the fact that different ethnic groups in the US and elsewhere have widely differing average income and wealth rates as well as very different academic success rates. Now why might that be?

As this article here in the Guardian of all places points out it is well established that most of the differences in academic ability between individuals is the results of genetic differences

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/23/genes-influence-academic-ability-across-all-subjects-latest-study-shows

Could genetic differences between different ethnic groups wholly or party explain differences in average academic outcomes? I do not propose to discuss such questions here (apart from anything else I imagine the moderators wouldn't be happy to allow such a discussion). My point is that it is impossible to know the answer to this question from the consensus in the social sciences. If a scientist so much as asks that question they are subjected to a campaign of villification, pressure to leave or be sacked from their job, the end of any prospects of career advancement even if they do keep their jobs and sometimes even mob violence winked and excused by the authorities (see the recent
case of Charles Murray being attacked by a mob)

Now the motives of those carrying out these 'social consequences' are purely social and political, they have nothing to do with the evidence or the truth. In other words we cannot know if the 'scientific consensus' in this question is true because the parameters of that consensus are being set but social/political, not scientific reasons.
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EnglishPete
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2017, 10:36:01 AM »
« Edited: March 11, 2017, 10:49:38 AM by EnglishPete »

Both sides are getting out of hand. Why don't we just have free speech on college campuses, period? I don't care about your feelings. College is not a safe space, your home is. Don't bring your grievances to college. You're there to study your major and to graduate.
Why do a lot of these campuses still exist? I understand that in STEM subjects students will often need to be physically present for lab work. However in these days when libraries, lectures and research can be done online is there any reason for liberal arts and social science degree courses to not all be  entirely online?

Making that switch could increase choice and competition, save money for both students and taxpayers and answer many conservative's issues with campus culture. If STEM students living too far from their labs to commute they can get lodging.

Also as well as getting money from the sale of former student only accommodation on campuses in places where labs and admin buildings occupy valuable real estate there's no reason why the admin buildings, and in some cases the labs as well, shouldn't be sold off and moved to industrial estates. Getting rid of campuses won't by itself be sufficient to cure the hothouse far left atmosphere of Universities but it will be a valuable step.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2017, 03:06:46 PM »

We shouldn't be using taxpayer money to pay for people to be indoctrinated by marxists for useless liberal arts degrees. We need to refocus our spending on education towards useful degrees in STEM. If someone is studying for a STEM degree they should be eligible for enough grants to make it a free ride so long as they maintain good grades and their parents income isn't too high. Next, get rid of subsidized student loans, and bring back the ability to discharge student loans through bankruptcy. That way if some idiot wants to borrow $100,000 or more to major in gender studies or some other useless degree, they have to show the lender they have the ability to pay it back, this will make it harder to get student loans.

David Gelernter, a possible pick for the role of Trump's Science Advisor has suggested some interesting ideas in this area

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