Opinion of the PKK

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Seeing as the situation in Turkey is spiralling downwards

Personally I give them a cautious FF. Their frontgroup in W. Kurdistan are amazing, all things considered (much better than the inanity of the KDP/PUK government of South Kurdistan) and in comparison to Erdogan's people and various other regional militias, are a force for good in N Kurdistan.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Lean HP. While I agree with you, they're not doing much to improve the economical and, especially, educational situation of Turkish Kurds, and choose to focus on constant war.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

eyy gurl, want to talk about independence of Kurdistan and stuff?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pınarcık_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Başbağlar_massacre

[Green Line]

Bad.  Their enemies are bad too.  Bad actors all around.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Lean FF.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Bad.  Their enemies are bad too.  Bad actors all around.

     It's complicated stuff in that region. We're better off having as little to do with that part of the world as possible.

[Intell]

FF's!

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

So no one besides Parrotguy, Green Line and PiT is bothered by the fact that they're a terrorist organization that has engaged in some ISIS-like massacres?

[Tartarus Sauce]

So no one besides Parrotguy, Green Line and PiT is bothered by the fact that they're a terrorist organization that has engaged in some ISIS-like massacres?

 They were far nastier back during their Marxist-Leninist separatist phase, I doubt anybody would deny that. They've made significant improvements since then in focusing their attacks on non-civilian targets. Obviously, that wouldn't preclude them from the terrorist label either, we would consider a militant group attacking military and police targets in America a terrorist group in a heartbeat, but they no longer target civilians with wanton abandon (the TAK still does, but the PKK has publically disowned them for it).

[America Needs R'hllor]

So no one besides Parrotguy, Green Line and PiT is bothered by the fact that they're a terrorist organization that has engaged in some ISIS-like massacres?

 They were far nastier back during their Marxist-Leninist separatist phase, I doubt anybody would deny that. They've made significant improvements since then in focusing their attacks on non-civilian targets. Obviously, that wouldn't preclude them from the terrorist label either, we would consider a militant group attacking military and police targets in America a terrorist group in a heartbeat, but they no longer target civilians with wanton abandon (the TAK still does, but the PKK has publically disowned them for it).

And yet, there's the fact that they don't do anything to advance their people and the areas where they live. I think organizations such as the PKK and Hamas have a lot to learn from the Jewish military organizations before Israel was established. Sure, they did some attacks on British soldiers, the more radical among them even harmed civilians (though without any real intent to target them). But they also cooperated with the Hebrew government to make the Jews extremely agriculturally, technologically and educationally advanced compared to the Arabic areas. They actually prepared the ground for a prosperous, independent state and we see the results today.
The PKK don't do it. They keep the Kurdish areas backward and the Kurds uneducated. They choose war, and war only. That's, imo, among the biggest reasons that they're HPs.