Female politician proposes law to fine men $100 for masturbating

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Female politician proposes law to fine men $100 for masturbating as 'act against an unborn child'

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[Hermit For Peace]

Damn we're gonna get RICH!!!

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

FF legislation.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

FF legislation.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

This is actually decent political theater-take note Preet.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

This is a category error, but I still support it (moderate FF).

[Blue3]

The Church does say masturbation is just as immoral as gay sex, or non-vaginal sex (even with a straight married couple), for this very reason.

[Cashew]

This is actually decent political theater-take note Preet.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

The Church does say masturbation is just as immoral as gay sex, or non-vaginal sex (even with a straight married couple), for this very reason.

I'll let TJ or somebody parse out the good points and bad points of this assertion.

[Blue3]

The Church does say masturbation is just as immoral as gay sex, or non-vaginal sex (even with a straight married couple), for this very reason.

I'll let TJ or somebody parse out the good points and bad points of this assertion.

I should have included condoms and similar birth control too.


The theology boils down to: all sexual acts must be "open to life."

I took Catholic theology for 4 years, and other religious studies classes in college.

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Mega-endorsed! America continues to move in the appropriate direction under Trump.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

The Church does say masturbation is just as immoral as gay sex, or non-vaginal sex (even with a straight married couple), for this very reason.

I'll let TJ or somebody parse out the good points and bad points of this assertion.

I should have included condoms and similar birth control too.


The theology boils down to: all sexual acts must be "open to life."

I took Catholic theology for 4 years, and other religious studies classes in college.

What concerned me is that, given the issue that the proposed law is obviously in reference to, it seemed like you were implying that "this very reason" is the same reason given for the Church's opposition to abortion, which it isn't. Nobody seriously argues that masturbation or gay sex or using a condom is homicidal.

[Bismarck]

The problem with this kind of argument is that pro lifers don't see the abortion argument in these terms. Nobody on the right is going "Yes crush women's rights woohoo", they see it as almost murder.

[nclib]

I honestly thought this was true until reading the post. Good satire.

The Church does say masturbation is just as immoral as gay sex, or non-vaginal sex (even with a straight married couple), for this very reason.

I'll let TJ or somebody parse out the good points and bad points of this assertion.

I should have included condoms and similar birth control too.


The theology boils down to: all sexual acts must be "open to life."

I took Catholic theology for 4 years, and other religious studies classes in college.

What about sex with post-menopausal women?

The problem with this kind of argument is that pro lifers don't see the abortion argument in these terms. Nobody on the right is going "Yes crush women's rights woohoo", they see it as almost murder.

Vehement opposition to abortion is strongly correlated with wanting to control women on other levels. While the right tries to frame the abortion issue as the right to life of the fetus, given their lack of respect for other women's rights/human rights issues, it is likely that the right tries to hide their anti-woman desires, to claim to be pro-fetus rather than anti-woman.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

The problem with this kind of argument is that pro lifers don't see the abortion argument in these terms. Nobody on the right is going "Yes crush women's rights woohoo", they see it as almost murder.

This is very true, but we on the pro-life side frankly have an equally outrage perception of feminism and the significance behind the choice-nobody wants to have an abortion (besides Lena Dunham at least), and the patient is as big a victim in the procedure as the fetus.

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About time someone took a stand.

[Associate Justice PiT]

The problem with this kind of argument is that pro lifers don't see the abortion argument in these terms. Nobody on the right is going "Yes crush women's rights woohoo", they see it as almost murder.

Vehement opposition to abortion is strongly correlated with wanting to control women on other levels. While the right tries to frame the abortion issue as the right to life of the fetus, given their lack of respect for other women's rights/human rights issues, it is likely that the right tries to hide their anti-woman desires, to claim to be pro-fetus rather than anti-woman.

     In other words, assume the worst about your political opponents. I'm sure there are some pro-lifers who just really hate women and want to punish them, but my experience with them indicates to me that this notion of "pro-life being anti-woman" is broadly speaking a left-wing fiction.

[Trapsy]

FF legislation.

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Looks like the Texas Dems have their next Gubernatorial nominee!

[Blue3]

The Church does say masturbation is just as immoral as gay sex, or non-vaginal sex (even with a straight married couple), for this very reason.

I'll let TJ or somebody parse out the good points and bad points of this assertion.

I should have included condoms and similar birth control too.


The theology boils down to: all sexual acts must be "open to life."

I took Catholic theology for 4 years, and other religious studies classes in college.

What concerned me is that, given the issue that the proposed law is obviously in reference to, it seemed like you were implying that "this very reason" is the same reason given for the Church's opposition to abortion, which it isn't. Nobody seriously argues that masturbation or gay sex or using a condom is homicidal.

I specifically did not say abortion.

This is a stand making fun of the anti-birth-control stances of religious conservatives.

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The problem with this kind of argument is that pro lifers don't see the abortion argument in these terms. Nobody on the right is going "Yes crush women's rights woohoo", they see it as almost murder.

Vehement opposition to abortion is strongly correlated with wanting to control women on other levels. While the right tries to frame the abortion issue as the right to life of the fetus, given their lack of respect for other women's rights/human rights issues, it is likely that the right tries to hide their anti-woman desires, to claim to be pro-fetus rather than anti-woman.

     In other words, assume the worst about your political opponents. I'm sure there are some pro-lifers who just really hate women and want to punish them, but my experience with them indicates to me that this notion of "pro-life being anti-woman" is broadly speaking a left-wing fiction.

Yes. Especially as polling suggests that women aren't particularly more likely to be pro-choice than men. And I don't think internalised misogyny can explain it away.

[Antonio the Sixth]

FF legislation.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Let's the state decide.

[Associate Justice PiT]

The problem with this kind of argument is that pro lifers don't see the abortion argument in these terms. Nobody on the right is going "Yes crush women's rights woohoo", they see it as almost murder.

Vehement opposition to abortion is strongly correlated with wanting to control women on other levels. While the right tries to frame the abortion issue as the right to life of the fetus, given their lack of respect for other women's rights/human rights issues, it is likely that the right tries to hide their anti-woman desires, to claim to be pro-fetus rather than anti-woman.

     In other words, assume the worst about your political opponents. I'm sure there are some pro-lifers who just really hate women and want to punish them, but my experience with them indicates to me that this notion of "pro-life being anti-woman" is broadly speaking a left-wing fiction.

Yes. Especially as polling suggests that women aren't particularly more likely to be pro-choice than men. And I don't think internalised misogyny can explain it away.

     Internalized misogyny bothers me as an explanation for much of anything. It certainly does exist, but most times I see it being brought up is to dismiss women who do not believe that they are being oppressed.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I think there's something to the idea that men and women often have at least somewhat different reasons for being pro-life, and that men's reasons are often a lot less noble that women's--which would obviously mean, among other things, that I ought to be extra-careful about my own motivations--but, if true, I don't really know that that could be measured.