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« Reply #1700 on: September 21, 2017, 09:32:47 AM »

It's important to remember that there is no real mainstream Republican position on healthcare and thus no Republican plan.

The mainstream Republican position on healthcare is that people who cannot afford healthcare should still get healthcare and that no one should have to pay for someone else's healthcare because that is un-American socialism.

Since this is logically impossible they have no actual policy. They can't propose any better plan since no plan can satisfy their requirements.

Even the GOP eventually can't just run against basic logic.
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« Reply #1701 on: September 21, 2017, 11:02:36 AM »

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« Reply #1702 on: September 21, 2017, 12:53:42 PM »


"We convinced you idiots you should want us to repeal Obamacare; now you'd better hope we don't!"
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« Reply #1703 on: September 21, 2017, 01:02:35 PM »

Important implications for any Republican attempts at healthcare next year under a new reconciliation vehicle:

Garrett Haake @GarrettHaake
More evidence @MooreSenate would be a nightmare for @SenateMajLdr - campaign spox says he would vote no on Graham/Cassidy. Wants full repeal

https://mobile.twitter.com/garretthaake/status/910923231615488001
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« Reply #1704 on: September 21, 2017, 01:03:41 PM »

Important implications for any Republican attempts at healthcare next year under a new reconciliation vehicle:

Garrett Haake @GarrettHaake
More evidence @MooreSenate would be a nightmare for @SenateMajLdr - campaign spox says he would vote no on Graham/Cassidy. Wants full repeal

https://mobile.twitter.com/garretthaake/status/910923231615488001

Moore for Senate! He's a good old 1950s Alabama Democrat at heart. Smiley
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« Reply #1705 on: September 21, 2017, 01:16:57 PM »

Important implications for any Republican attempts at healthcare next year under a new reconciliation vehicle:

Garrett Haake @GarrettHaake
More evidence @MooreSenate would be a nightmare for @SenateMajLdr - campaign spox says he would vote no on Graham/Cassidy. Wants full repeal

https://mobile.twitter.com/garretthaake/status/910923231615488001

Moore for Senate! He's a good old 1950s Alabama Democrat at heart. Smiley
Weren't you telling us in the last push that people who lost their insurance should basically start digging ditches?
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« Reply #1706 on: September 21, 2017, 01:30:12 PM »

According to a GOP Senate aide, here are some changes a new draft of the G-C bill might include for their "Alaska Purchase" in order to swing Murkowski. Basically, Alaska gets to keep Obamacare.

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« Reply #1707 on: September 21, 2017, 01:35:11 PM »

AARP:

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« Reply #1708 on: September 21, 2017, 05:07:49 PM »

According to a GOP Senate aide, here are some changes a new draft of the G-C bill might include for their "Alaska Purchase" in order to swing Murkowski. Basically, Alaska gets to keep Obamacare.

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You know your bill's not very popular when the only way you can try and get people to vote for it is to say it won't apply to their state. It's a little funny.
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« Reply #1709 on: September 21, 2017, 05:08:32 PM »

According to a GOP Senate aide, here are some changes a new draft of the G-C bill might include for their "Alaska Purchase" in order to swing Murkowski. Basically, Alaska gets to keep Obamacare.

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You know your bill's not very popular when the only way you can try and get people to vote for it is to say it won't apply to their state. It's a little funny.

Winning strategy: make a carve out for every state, pass the bill, and declare victory.
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« Reply #1710 on: September 21, 2017, 05:11:51 PM »

According to a GOP Senate aide, here are some changes a new draft of the G-C bill might include for their "Alaska Purchase" in order to swing Murkowski. Basically, Alaska gets to keep Obamacare.

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You know your bill's not very popular when the only way you can try and get people to vote for it is to say it won't apply to their state. It's a little funny.

Winning strategy: make a carve out for every state, pass the bill, and declare victory.

Technically even this wouldn't be "victory" since it's just punting Obamacare to the states for the most part. That would be even less so.
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« Reply #1711 on: September 21, 2017, 05:14:39 PM »

According to a GOP Senate aide, here are some changes a new draft of the G-C bill might include for their "Alaska Purchase" in order to swing Murkowski. Basically, Alaska gets to keep Obamacare.

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You know your bill's not very popular when the only way you can try and get people to vote for it is to say it won't apply to their state. It's a little funny.

Winning strategy: make a carve out for every state, pass the bill, and declare victory.

Technically even this wouldn't be "victory" since it's just punting Obamacare to the states for the most part. That would be even less so.

Exactly.  But they would claim they had successfully passed a repeal bill.
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« Reply #1712 on: September 21, 2017, 07:08:12 PM »

Murkowski turned down a buy-out before. I have a feeling she might do it again.
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« Reply #1713 on: September 21, 2017, 08:48:24 PM »

According to a GOP Senate aide, here are some changes a new draft of the G-C bill might include for their "Alaska Purchase" in order to swing Murkowski. Basically, Alaska gets to keep Obamacare.

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You know your bill's not very popular when the only way you can try and get people to vote for it is to say it won't apply to their state. It's a little funny.

Repeal ObamaCare just in DC?
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« Reply #1714 on: September 21, 2017, 10:11:03 PM »

Murkowski turned down a buy-out before. I have a feeling she might do it again.

I'm also expecting her to vote no and the bill to fail.
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« Reply #1715 on: September 22, 2017, 12:20:34 AM »


What a disgusting political party.
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« Reply #1716 on: September 22, 2017, 01:50:07 AM »

Collins and Nelson introduce legislation to stabilize ACA markets
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« Reply #1717 on: September 22, 2017, 02:30:46 AM »

So the whip count right now appears to be this:

Definite No: 50
All Dems, Collins, Paul
Lean No: 1
McCain
Toss-Up: 2
Murkowski
Capito
Probably yes but could surprise: 2
Ernst (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2017/09/21/joni-ernst-leaning-yes-graham-cassidy-health-care-bill/686388001/)
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Definite Yes (for now): 45
All other Repubs

Obviously not a good situation for McConnell.
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« Reply #1718 on: September 22, 2017, 02:36:51 AM »

And enter some ultra-liberal writer trying to get someone to run to a court on a fruitless quest: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/09/repealing-obamacare-for-49-states-probably-unconstitutional.html
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« Reply #1719 on: September 22, 2017, 10:15:22 AM »

Nevada Gov. Sandoval (R) slams Graham-Cassidy:

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« Reply #1720 on: September 22, 2017, 10:45:45 AM »

F**K YOU
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« Reply #1721 on: September 22, 2017, 11:06:01 AM »


This is basically just an exercise in masturbation.
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« Reply #1722 on: September 22, 2017, 11:13:44 AM »

Seriously this is something people will get hurt over and they just care about a win
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« Reply #1723 on: September 22, 2017, 11:19:57 AM »

Seriously this is something people will get hurt over and they just care about a win

Trolling is the point of life
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« Reply #1724 on: September 22, 2017, 11:21:24 AM »

Brookings analysis: 21 million more uninsured with Graham-Cassidy
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