Trumpcare Megathread: It's dead (for now)

[Frodo]

I doubt McConnell intends to actually pass a 2015 repeal bill. This is all a gambit on his part to get a passing MTP vote. If a MTP passes, it doesn't mean they're going to pass something, but it means McConnell lives to fight another day on healthcare and GOP senators face greatly increased pressure. His tactic is probably to convince Paul, Lee, and Moran that they are voting on the 2015 repeal, and convince Murkowski and Capito that they are voting on BCRA 2.0. I believe the only current overlap in public opposition to both is Collins. It's a lot of ifs, but the perfect mixture of malice, gullibility, arrogance, and ignorance could provide a passing vote on the MTP.

What does MTP stand for? 

[Person Man]

I doubt McConnell intends to actually pass a 2015 repeal bill. This is all a gambit on his part to get a passing MTP vote. If a MTP passes, it doesn't mean they're going to pass something, but it means McConnell lives to fight another day on healthcare and GOP senators face greatly increased pressure. His tactic is probably to convince Paul, Lee, and Moran that they are voting on the 2015 repeal, and convince Murkowski and Capito that they are voting on BCRA 2.0. I believe the only current overlap in public opposition to both is Collins. It's a lot of ifs, but the perfect mixture of malice, gullibility, arrogance, and ignorance could provide a passing vote on the MTP.

What does MTP stand for? 

Motion to Proceed

[The Other Castro]

So, what do you think the odds are that no Obamacare replacement is passed before the Midterms?

Right now, approximately 85% is my conservative estimate.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Former Sen. David Durenburger (R-MN, 1978-1995) urges Senators to vote No on MTP. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/07/24/gop-senators-dont-approve-mystery-health-bill-david-durenberger-column/502976001/

[Brittain33]

Last major prediction. Pence will look like a President-in-waiting as a result of this. He's collected major credit among the Congressional GOP for his lobbying, his wooing, and appears like a very strong potential GOP President.

Interesting, because it seems like Pence came across as ineffective in his happy-faced lying about Trumpcare at the National Governors' Association conference—admittedly with an impossible job.

[7,052,770]

Assuming McCain would vote yes but can't make it there to actually do it, is there any chance he resigns and allows the AZ gov to send a replacement? If/when McCain is ready to come back, the replacement could resign and the governor could appoint McCain back to the seat.

And/or is there any chance Republican leaders are pushing for this behind the scenes?

If it was a Democratic senator in this situation and the state had a D gov, I would be demanding this to happen.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Assuming McCain would vote yes but can't make it there to actually do it, is there any chance he resigns and allows the AZ gov to send a replacement? If/when McCain is ready to come back, the replacement could resign and the governor could appoint McCain back to the seat.

And/or is there any chance Republican leaders are pushing for this behind the scenes?

If it was a Democratic senator in this situation and the state had a D gov, I would be demanding this to happen.

McCain doesn't seem to be a fan of the bill.  Simply not voting may be a good solution for him.  I posted this the other day:

McCain may be a no:

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Gov. Ducey supports repealing the ACA, but has expressed objections to the Senate bill:

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[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Assuming McCain would vote yes but can't make it there to actually do it, is there any chance he resigns and allows the AZ gov to send a replacement? If/when McCain is ready to come back, the replacement could resign and the governor could appoint McCain back to the seat.

And/or is there any chance Republican leaders are pushing for this behind the scenes?

If it was a Democratic senator in this situation and the state had a D gov, I would be demanding this to happen.

If that happened, then McCain's status changes from elected senator to appointed senator, requiring him into run in a 2018 special election to keep the seat.

[Sir Mohamed]

Assuming McCain would vote yes but can't make it there to actually do it, is there any chance he resigns and allows the AZ gov to send a replacement? If/when McCain is ready to come back, the replacement could resign and the governor could appoint McCain back to the seat.

And/or is there any chance Republican leaders are pushing for this behind the scenes?

If it was a Democratic senator in this situation and the state had a D gov, I would be demanding this to happen.

If that happened, then McCain's status changes from elected senator to appointed senator, requiring him into run in a 2018 special election to keep the seat.

He would also lose seniority. He's currently in office since 1987. That would change to 2017 or 2018. Even newcomers like Kamala Harris or James Lenkford would gain seniority over McCain in such a scenario. Pretty unlikely.

[7,052,770]

Assuming McCain would vote yes but can't make it there to actually do it, is there any chance he resigns and allows the AZ gov to send a replacement? If/when McCain is ready to come back, the replacement could resign and the governor could appoint McCain back to the seat.

And/or is there any chance Republican leaders are pushing for this behind the scenes?

If it was a Democratic senator in this situation and the state had a D gov, I would be demanding this to happen.

If that happened, then McCain's status changes from elected senator to appointed senator, requiring him into run in a 2018 special election to keep the seat.

So?

[7,052,770]

Assuming McCain would vote yes but can't make it there to actually do it, is there any chance he resigns and allows the AZ gov to send a replacement? If/when McCain is ready to come back, the replacement could resign and the governor could appoint McCain back to the seat.

And/or is there any chance Republican leaders are pushing for this behind the scenes?

If it was a Democratic senator in this situation and the state had a D gov, I would be demanding this to happen.

If that happened, then McCain's status changes from elected senator to appointed senator, requiring him into run in a 2018 special election to keep the seat.

He would also lose seniority. He's currently in office since 1987. That would change to 2017 or 2018. Even newcomers like Kamala Harris or James Lenkford would gain seniority over McCain in such a scenario. Pretty unlikely.

The party leader can grant or remove seniority at will. McConnell would certainly make an accomdation for McCain in this scenario.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Assuming McCain would vote yes but can't make it there to actually do it, is there any chance he resigns and allows the AZ gov to send a replacement? If/when McCain is ready to come back, the replacement could resign and the governor could appoint McCain back to the seat.

And/or is there any chance Republican leaders are pushing for this behind the scenes?

If it was a Democratic senator in this situation and the state had a D gov, I would be demanding this to happen.

If that happened, then McCain's status changes from elected senator to appointed senator, requiring him into run in a 2018 special election to keep the seat.

So?

If 2018 is a D wave, McCain could lose reelection, which Rs obviously don't want.

[Ebsy]

Less than 24 hours and we still have no idea what the Senate will be voting to open debate on.

[GeorgiaModerate]

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Good response:

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[Hindsight was 2020]

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Solomon Ortiz Jr please end this in 2018

[GeorgiaModerate]

The clowns over at HFC looking to gut the CBO for using facts:

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[Person Man]

lulz:

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It definitely isn't now.

[Higgins]

Paul Ryan isn't a Catholic. He worships Ayn Rand.

[The Other Castro]

Murkowski and Collins are being reported as no votes.

Links? I don't know if I've seen a definitive statement from Murkowski recently.

[Gass3268]

Murkowski and Collins are being reported as no votes.

Links? I don't know if I've seen a definitive statement from Murkowski recently.

Collins is definite, I've recently seen Murkowski as an undecided.

[Doimper]

Apparently McCain is flying in for the vote?

[The Other Castro]

Apparently McCain is flying in for the vote?

Cornyn said they may try to get McCain to DC in time if they get approval from his doctor.

[The Other Castro]

It seriously looks like they're going to hold a vote on a MTP for something they know nothing about. This is crazy.

[BudgieForce]

Rumors of Murkowski being a no vote.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/889598565600952320

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Rumors of Murkowski being a no vote.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/889598565600952320

Some rumors they are. That link leads to a page that doesn't exist.