Trumpcare Megathread: It's dead (for now)

[Holmes]

It's so sad that so many people are lying about the negative implications of the bill in order to push their partisan agenda. Over 20 million losing their health insurance, and they don't care. And for what? What are they gaining? It's sad.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

It's so sad that so many people are lying about the negative implications of the bill in order to push their partisan agenda. Over 20 million losing their health insurance, and they don't care. And for what? What are they gaining? It's sad.

They were elected on a promise to repeal and replace ObamaCare.

[Virginiá]

They were elected on a promise to repeal and replace ObamaCare.

I thought a lot of GOP Senators ran on just repealing it - such as those from 2012 and 2014. Didn't repeal and replace come later?

If you go by what they said for years prior to 2017, it was mostly just repealing ObamaCare. It was quite foolish to think that alone would fly, but politicians rarely favor practical long-term solutions when it is not convenient.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

They were elected on a promise to repeal and replace ObamaCare.

I thought a lot of GOP Senators ran on just repealing it - such as those from 2012 and 2014. Didn't repeal and replace come later?

If you go by what they said for years prior to 2017, it was mostly just repealing ObamaCare. It was quite foolish to think that alone would fly, but politicians rarely favor practical long-term solutions when it is not convenient.

Maybe for some congressional people, but both Romney and Trump had the "replace".

[The Other Castro]

Sam Stein @samstein
Senate aide: CBO will NOT release a score on the updated draft of the Better Care Reconciliation Act on Monday, July 17, 2017.

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/886643372026458112

However, this article says the score could come as early as Tuesday.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/16/gop-health-care-bill-will-it-pass-240606

[GeorgiaModerate]

Brutal numbers for BCRA in the new Selzer poll of Iowa for the Des Moines Register, taken July 9-13 with a sample of 800 adults (MOE 3.5%).

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/columnists/kathie-obradovich/2017/07/16/obradovich-iowa-poll-shows-gop-corner-health-care/479189001/

Do you mostly support or mostly oppose the direction Congressional Republicans are heading in addressing health care legislation?

Mostly support: 29%
Mostly oppose: 58%
Not sure: 13%

By party:

R: 57/25/18
D: 5/87/7
I: 25/63/12

[The Mikado]

Brutal numbers for BCRA in the new Selzer poll of Iowa for the Des Moines Register, taken July 9-13 with a sample of 800 adults (MOE 3.5%).

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/columnists/kathie-obradovich/2017/07/16/obradovich-iowa-poll-shows-gop-corner-health-care/479189001/

Do you mostly support or mostly oppose the direction Congressional Republicans are heading in addressing health care legislation?

Mostly support: 29%
Mostly oppose: 58%
Not sure: 13%

By party:

R: 57/25/18
D: 5/87/7
I: 25/63/12

Polls like these don't matter. Trump could ground his voting base to dirt and they'd still vote for him

They matter quite a bit if you're Rod Blum in R+1 IA-01 or David Young in R+1 IA-03.

[7,052,770]

It's so sad that so many people are lying about the negative implications of the bill in order to push their partisan agenda. Over 20 million losing their health insurance, and they don't care. And for what? What are they gaining? It's sad.

They were elected on a promise to repeal and replace ObamaCare.

They were each elected for a plethora of reasons, not just that one. And a lot of "opponents" of Obamacare didn't realize until now how they benefit from many of its protections.

[Frodo]

If this bill should fail, how far would a repeal-only option get in either chamber, particularly the House? 

Considering how many times in the past they have voted to repeal (and not replace) Obamacare, I would think they'd at least give this option a try just to get it out of their system. 

Personally I think it would not go far at all, now that they actually have someone in the White House willing to sign it into law.   

[Mr. Morden]

I remain skeptical that this is actually going to pass as its own standalone thing.  But I do think people are underrating the chances that elements of it will get packaged in with the 2018 budget or with the tax reform bill.  I mean, it's not really Obamacare repeal.  It's a Medicaid cut and a tax cut.  The tax cut portion, for example, could certainly pass if it was separated off from the Medicaid cut.  Though, yeah, they might have to be made temporary if they can't offset the cost with anything else.  Not sure how much leeway there is on the budget rules for reconciliation.

[Indy Texas]

They were elected on a promise to repeal and replace ObamaCare.

I thought a lot of GOP Senators ran on just repealing it - such as those from 2012 and 2014. Didn't repeal and replace come later?

If you go by what they said for years prior to 2017, it was mostly just repealing ObamaCare. It was quite foolish to think that alone would fly, but politicians rarely favor practical long-term solutions when it is not convenient.

Maybe for some congressional people, but both Romney and Trump had the "replace".

Donald Trump explicitly stated "We're going to take care of everybody" and promised no Medicare or Medicaid cuts.

So, no, there is no overwhelming mandate to repeal and replace the ACA.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

They were elected on a promise to repeal and replace ObamaCare.

I thought a lot of GOP Senators ran on just repealing it - such as those from 2012 and 2014. Didn't repeal and replace come later?

If you go by what they said for years prior to 2017, it was mostly just repealing ObamaCare. It was quite foolish to think that alone would fly, but politicians rarely favor practical long-term solutions when it is not convenient.

Maybe for some congressional people, but both Romney and Trump had the "replace".

Donald Trump explicitly stated "We're going to take care of everybody" and promised no Medicare or Medicaid cuts.

So, no, there is no overwhelming mandate to repeal and replace the ACA.

Trump also stated "We're going to repeal Obamacare and replace it something so much better."

[Alaska2392]

Sorry for posting something somewhat off topic, but why exactly is this called the "Better Care Act"?

For those who can afford or have good insurance the USA can provide high quality care.

What actions are included in this bill to to increase the quality of care?  (serious question, not being sarcastic)

Or is this just a misnomer?

[GeorgiaModerate]

Sorry for posting something somewhat off topic, but why exactly is this called the "Better Care Act"?

For those who can afford or have good insurance the USA can provide high quality care.

What actions are included in this bill to to increase the quality of care?  (serious question, not being sarcastic)

Or is this just a misnomer?

Because calling it that makes it, by definition, better.  Or that's the theory, I guess.

[7,052,770]

I remain skeptical that this is actually going to pass as its own standalone thing.  But I do think people are underrating the chances that elements of it will get packaged in with the 2018 budget or with the tax reform bill.  I mean, it's not really Obamacare repeal.  It's a Medicaid cut and a tax cut.  The tax cut portion, for example, could certainly pass if it was separated off from the Medicaid cut.  Though, yeah, they might have to be made temporary if they can't offset the cost with anything else.  Not sure how much leeway there is on the budget rules for reconciliation.

Tell that to people with incomes between 350% and 400% of FPL who will see their subsidies canceled and their premiums skyrocket.

[The Other Castro]

Sorry for posting something somewhat off topic, but why exactly is this called the "Better Care Act"?

For those who can afford or have good insurance the USA can provide high quality care.

What actions are included in this bill to to increase the quality of care?  (serious question, not being sarcastic)

Or is this just a misnomer?

Calling it the "Kill Millions of Americans" bill probably wouldn't help with PR.

[Indy Texas]

They were elected on a promise to repeal and replace ObamaCare.

I thought a lot of GOP Senators ran on just repealing it - such as those from 2012 and 2014. Didn't repeal and replace come later?

If you go by what they said for years prior to 2017, it was mostly just repealing ObamaCare. It was quite foolish to think that alone would fly, but politicians rarely favor practical long-term solutions when it is not convenient.

Maybe for some congressional people, but both Romney and Trump had the "replace".

Donald Trump explicitly stated "We're going to take care of everybody" and promised no Medicare or Medicaid cuts.

So, no, there is no overwhelming mandate to repeal and replace the ACA.

Trump also stated "We're going to repeal Obamacare and replace it something so much better."

This isn't better!

[Badger]

They were elected on a promise to repeal and replace ObamaCare.

I thought a lot of GOP Senators ran on just repealing it - such as those from 2012 and 2014. Didn't repeal and replace come later?

If you go by what they said for years prior to 2017, it was mostly just repealing ObamaCare. It was quite foolish to think that alone would fly, but politicians rarely favor practical long-term solutions when it is not convenient.

Maybe for some congressional people, but both Romney and Trump had the "replace".

Donald Trump explicitly stated "We're going to take care of everybody" and promised no Medicare or Medicaid cuts.

So, no, there is no overwhelming mandate to repeal and replace the ACA.

Trump also stated "We're going to repeal Obamacare and replace it something so much better."

This isn't better!

This! I'd say close to half of Trump's voters didn't want or expect to have tens of millions lose their health insurance under Trump. Rather damned foolish of them considering he didn't even try revealing one detail of what his "great" alternative actually would be. Though he did explicitly promise many times no one would lose coverage.

Again that was "no one", he promised. Not "very few" would lose coverage. No one.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Shameless sociopathic Republicans back to lying about the bill:

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What lies? It's far easier to cover people if you only give them a threadbare sheet instead of a thick winter-weight quilt.

[Dr. Arch]

Shameless sociopathic Republicans back to lying about the bill:

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What lies? It's far easier to cover people if you only give them a threadbare sheet instead of a thick winter-weight quilt.

Something something, ability to cover versus them being able to actually take such coverage. Like Bernie Sanders said, the ability to buy a multi-million dollar home doesn't mean I can afford to buy it.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Shameless sociopathic Republicans back to lying about the bill:

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What lies? It's far easier to cover people if you only give them a threadbare sheet instead of a thick winter-weight quilt.

Something something, ability to cover versus them being able to actually take such coverage. Like Bernie Sanders said, the ability to buy a multi-million dollar home doesn't mean I can afford to buy it.

What you want people to have coverage that's actually worth having? What are you a commie, or worse, a socialist?

[ProudModerate2]

Sen Collins (R-ME) basically calls VP Pence a liar about how TrumpDeath Insurance will strengthen Medicaid.
Watch the interview on video here :
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/07/16/sotu-collins-takes-issue-with-pence-on-medicaid.cnn

[ProudModerate2]

It seems that McCain's blood clot may have been more significant than first thought.
Dr Gupta (CNN) describes how the doctors had to open (cut) the bone to gain access to the brain.
Ouch !
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/17/health/mccain-blood-clot-surgery-significant-bn/index.html

[The Other Castro]

Ron Johnson has moved back to the Undecided column on the MTP because of McConnell's reported comments on the Medicaid changes being unlikely.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2017/07/14/medicaid-comments-leave-sen-ron-johnson-undecided-new-gop-health-care-bill/479608001/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Threatening note left in Heller's office over the vote.

The person said that if the bill became law they would lose their health insurance and die, and then implied that Heller would die as well.