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« Reply #425 on: July 17, 2017, 04:35:46 PM »

To be fair, Heller made the first threat by considering voting for the bill.
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« Reply #426 on: July 17, 2017, 06:29:19 PM »

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« Reply #427 on: July 17, 2017, 07:32:39 PM »

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« Reply #428 on: July 17, 2017, 07:35:32 PM »

Lee and Moran just came out against the bill.
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« Reply #429 on: July 17, 2017, 07:36:46 PM »

Lee and Moran just came out against the bill.
Here could come the flood gate
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« Reply #430 on: July 17, 2017, 07:37:54 PM »

Here comes repeal and no replacement
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« Reply #431 on: July 17, 2017, 07:40:41 PM »

Oh go for it
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« Reply #432 on: July 17, 2017, 07:41:18 PM »


I'm not 100% sure they can do that under reconciliation.
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« Reply #433 on: July 17, 2017, 07:42:04 PM »

Roger Marshall is on Msnbc right as the Moran/Lee tweet got sent and he looks shell shocked
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« Reply #434 on: July 17, 2017, 07:52:18 PM »

This is coming right out of the meeting with Trump, too.

This bill has been a no go for weeks anyway, Heller was always a guaranteed no vote without significant changes to the Medicaid portion of the bill, he just didn't definitively put his foot down the way Collins and Paul did, but he was never going to be able to get to yes in its current state.
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« Reply #435 on: July 17, 2017, 08:13:53 PM »

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« Reply #436 on: July 17, 2017, 08:13:59 PM »

This is coming right out of the meeting with Trump, too.

This bill has been a no go for weeks anyway, Heller was always a guaranteed no vote without significant changes to the Medicaid portion of the bill, he just didn't definitively put his foot down the way Collins and Paul did, but he was never going to be able to get to yes in its current state.

So much for the dealmaker......
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« Reply #437 on: July 17, 2017, 08:25:08 PM »

The GOP is a disaster.
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« Reply #438 on: July 17, 2017, 08:33:01 PM »

So I'm guessing Trump acted like an ass at the meeting tonight?
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« Reply #439 on: July 17, 2017, 08:37:19 PM »

These are links to the official statements:

https://www.lee.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=press-releases&id=988195A6-7C42-4878-A59F-3FA344D170C9

https://mobile.twitter.com/JerryMoran/status/887108026246803456
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« Reply #440 on: July 17, 2017, 08:41:14 PM »

So I'm guessing Trump acted like an ass at the meeting tonight?

I think it is more about Pence, Price, and McConnell lying to GOP senators about the bill.
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« Reply #441 on: July 17, 2017, 08:46:57 PM »

Moran does not surprise me. He had been hearing from rural Kansas and I mentioned a couple of pages back he was a potential vote to look at it. Lee surprises me though.

Moran, from what I know of his concerns, is a hard no if he came out. It's not that the bill is too liberal or whatever. He is more worried about Kansas hospitals.

TrumpCare is probably dead if they stick to their guns.

It's actually kind of admirable of Moran to be so concerned for his constituents.

Sam Brownback proved there is no electoral price to be paid in Kansas for running your state into the ground.
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« Reply #442 on: July 17, 2017, 08:49:02 PM »

Moran is claiming ideological issues with it, aka Lee. But any movement towards lee would cost them Heller and more moderate expansion state Republicans.

Yeah, I think McConnell's gonna pull it but we'll see what Mitch does.
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« Reply #443 on: July 17, 2017, 08:49:05 PM »

So I'm guessing Trump acted like an ass at the meeting tonight?

Would not doubt it.
That's probably why Sens. Jerry Moran of Kansas and Mike Lee of Utah decided not to support the bill. trump probably acted like an a**hole, maybe even threatened all the Senators, and they are now basically giving him the middle finger.
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« Reply #444 on: July 17, 2017, 08:49:11 PM »

Moran does not surprise me. He had been hearing from rural Kansas and I mentioned a couple of pages back he was a potential vote to look at it. Lee surprises me though.

Moran, from what I know of his concerns, is a hard no if he came out. It's not that the bill is too liberal or whatever. He is more worried about Kansas hospitals.

TrumpCare is probably dead if they stick to their guns.

It's actually kind of admirable of Moran to be so concerned for his constituents.

Sam Brownback proved there is no electoral price to be paid in Kansas for running your state into the ground.

Brownback had the advantage of running for reelection in 2014.
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« Reply #445 on: July 17, 2017, 08:50:33 PM »
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Moran does not surprise me. He had been hearing from rural Kansas and I mentioned a couple of pages back he was a potential vote to look at it. Lee surprises me though.

Moran, from what I know of his concerns, is a hard no if he came out. It's not that the bill is too liberal or whatever. He is more worried about Kansas hospitals.

TrumpCare is probably dead if they stick to their guns.

It's actually kind of admirable of Moran to be so concerned for his constituents.

It's a pretty damning indictment of the times if a Senator looking out for their constituents is exceptional.
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« Reply #446 on: July 17, 2017, 08:51:50 PM »

Moran does not surprise me. He had been hearing from rural Kansas and I mentioned a couple of pages back he was a potential vote to look at it. Lee surprises me though.

Moran, from what I know of his concerns, is a hard no if he came out. It's not that the bill is too liberal or whatever. He is more worried about Kansas hospitals.

TrumpCare is probably dead if they stick to their guns.

It's actually kind of admirable of Moran to be so concerned for his constituents.

Sam Brownback proved there is no electoral price to be paid in Kansas for running your state into the ground.

Yeah, I have to give Moran some credit here.  The other no's are either against it for political reasons (Heller's senate race and Collins potential gubernatorial run) or ideologically reasons (Lee and Paul).  Moran seems to be the only one concerned about the impact on the people of his state.
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« Reply #447 on: July 17, 2017, 08:52:00 PM »

Can some of the Trump true believers offer their opinion on his complete inability to get any major legislation passed?
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« Reply #448 on: July 17, 2017, 08:56:45 PM »

Moran is claiming ideological issues with it, aka Lee. But any movement towards lee would cost them Heller and more moderate expansion state Republicans.

Yeah, I think McConnell's gonna pull it but we'll see what Mitch does.

Question is if McConnell wants to give up/go bipartisan, or if he wants to try yet another draft of the BCRA. If the former, I imagine he holds a vote even knowing it will fail, as a way to bring closure on the issue. If the latter, no vote will be held on this specific draft.
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« Reply #449 on: July 17, 2017, 09:02:41 PM »

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