Trumpcare Megathread: It's dead (for now)

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

No way will a repeal only option pass the Senate, I don't see Heller, Collins, McCain, Murkowski or Portman voting for it.

[Yank2133]

This whole thing sounds to me like a set up to repeal ACA then put the pressure on Democrats to force them to the table to vote for whatever garbage the Republicans come up with.

This makes zero sense.

If the GOP repeal the ACA, they own the consequence. There is no reason for Democrats to bail them out.

[The Other Castro]

This whole thing sounds to me like a set up to repeal ACA then put the pressure on Democrats to force them to the table to vote for whatever garbage the Republicans come up with.

Some of these Republican Senators may not be good people, but they're not insane or idiots. This would be political suicide. Sometimes, it really is just how it appears on the surface: There is no cohesive plan, and these people don't want to pass such a horrible bill.

[Indy Texas]

It kind of makes you wonder why Mitch McConnell even wants to be majority leader in the first place.

He was supposed to be an institutionalist, but he has been desecrating Senate norms left and right.

He's an insider's insider, and yet it's abundantly clear that he's despised by the members of the elite club that he now leads.

He represents one of the poorest states in the country, and repeatedly tries to pass legislation that almost goes out of its way to do harm to his own constituents.

What is it all for? What does he want from all of this?

[Mike Thick]

It kind of makes you wonder why Mitch McConnell even wants to be majority leader in the first place.

He was supposed to be an institutionalist, but he has been desecrating Senate norms left and right.

He's an insider's insider, and yet it's abundantly clear that he's despised by the members of the elite club that he now leads.

He represents one of the poorest states in the country, and repeatedly tries to pass legislation that almost goes out of its way to do harm to his own constituents.

What is it all for? What does he want from all of this?

It's for power. Straight up. His only concern at this point is his own ambition.

[ProudModerate2]

Trump is such a bumbling idiot. He has no grasp of what the bill will even do he is just obsessed with optics.

There are probably many Republican members in The House and some Republican Senators who also fall into this category.

[KingSweden]

It kind of makes you wonder why Mitch McConnell even wants to be majority leader in the first place.

He was supposed to be an institutionalist, but he has been desecrating Senate norms left and right.

He's an insider's insider, and yet it's abundantly clear that he's despised by the members of the elite club that he now leads.

He represents one of the poorest states in the country, and repeatedly tries to pass legislation that almost goes out of its way to do harm to his own constituents.

What is it all for? What does he want from all of this?

GOP would be way better off w/ Thune or Corker at this point. McConnell has zero idea how to govern

[The Mikado]

One of these days, when we have a bit of perspective, we need a lengthy discussion of the evolution of the Senate as an institution in recent decades and how it has transformed especially in the last few years.

[EnglishPete]

This whole thing sounds to me like a set up to repeal ACA then put the pressure on Democrats to force them to the table to vote for whatever garbage the Republicans come up with.

This makes zero sense.

If the GOP repeal the ACA, they own the consequence. There is no reason for Democrats to bail them out.

I think the point is the two year delay. Would Democrats really go into next year's midterms saying "Obamacare expires in eight months but we have nothing to say about what we want to replace it until we get the White House in (we hope) 26 months."

Also would have the added benefit of forcing Republicans to actually talk about and focus on their 'replace' proposals before the 2018 midterms rather than be able to lazily bang on about 'repealing' without proposing replacements. The previous system was not popular or effient at all. No politician is going to be able to face the electorate in 16 months time, 8 months before Obamacare would end, without talking seriously about what they intend to replace it.

I expect that for that very reason this bill won't pass. However I think it really should, its in Republicans' best interests. If they don't then Dems will just pass Single payer next chance they get and that will be it.

[Middle-aged Europe]

If Congress passes a repeal-and-replace-later bill will Trump finally drop below a 35% approval rating for the first time ever?


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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/250975772083380226

[SoLongAtlas]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump  15 minutes ago
As I have always said, let ObamaCare fail and then come together and do a great healthcare plan. Stay tuned!

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump  20 minutes ago
We were let down by all of the Democrats and a few Republicans. Most Republicans were loyal, terrific & worked really hard. We will return!

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump  10 hours ago
Republicans should just REPEAL failing ObamaCare now & work on a new Healthcare Plan that will start from a clean slate. Dems will join in!

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He's going all in on the repeal and hope for bipartisanship later strategy.

Meanwhile, a CBO score on a straight repeal bill:

[Rookie Yinzer]

The ACA is not going to be repealed. That lost vote was symbolic, they knew Obama wasn't going to sign it. Time to sh-t or get off the pot Republicans.

[Yank2133]

This whole thing sounds to me like a set up to repeal ACA then put the pressure on Democrats to force them to the table to vote for whatever garbage the Republicans come up with.

This makes zero sense.

If the GOP repeal the ACA, they own the consequence. There is no reason for Democrats to bail them out.

I think the point is the two year delay. Would Democrats really go into next year's midterms saying "Obamacare expires in eight months but we have nothing to say about what we want to replace it until we get the White House in (we hope) 26 months."

Also would have the added benefit of forcing Republicans to actually talk about and focus on their 'replace' proposals before the 2018 midterms rather than be able to lazily bang on about 'repealing' without proposing replacements. The previous system was not popular or effient at all. No politician is going to be able to face the electorate in 16 months time, 8 months before Obamacare would end, without talking seriously about what they intend to replace it.

I expect that for that very reason this bill won't pass. However I think it really should, its in Republicans' best interests. If they don't then Dems will just pass Single payer next chance they get and that will be it.

The Democrats will go into the mid-terms just blaming the GOP for every problem that results from this bill passage. 32 million will lose coverage and premiums will double and it will be the GOP's fault.

This is how healthcare politics work in this country. You make a change to the system, then you own the entire thing. Democrats learned this in 2010, and Republicans are fooling themselves if they don't think the same will happen.

And the GOP won't get serious about reform because half of them don't believe the government should be involve in healthcare in the first place.

[Badger]

This whole thing sounds to me like a set up to repeal ACA then put the pressure on Democrats to force them to the table to vote for whatever garbage the Republicans come up with.

This makes zero sense.

If the GOP repeal the ACA, they own the consequence. There is no reason for Democrats to bail them out.

I think the point is the two year delay. Would Democrats really go into next year's midterms saying "Obamacare expires in eight months but we have nothing to say about what we want to replace it until we get the White House in (we hope) 26 months."

Also would have the added benefit of forcing Republicans to actually talk about and focus on their 'replace' proposals before the 2018 midterms rather than be able to lazily bang on about 'repealing' without proposing replacements. The previous system was not popular or effient at all. No politician is going to be able to face the electorate in 16 months time, 8 months before Obamacare would end, without talking seriously about what they intend to replace it.

I expect that for that very reason this bill won't pass. However I think it really should, its in Republicans' best interests. If they don't then Dems will just pass Single payer next chance they get and that will be it.

The Democrats will go into the mid-terms just blaming the GOP for every problem that results from this bill passage. 32 million will lose coverage and premiums will double and it will be the GOP's fault.

This is how healthcare politics work in this country. You make a change to the system, then you own the entire thing. Democrats learned this in 2010, and Republicans are fooling themselves if they don't think the same will happen.

And the GOP won't get serious about reform because half of them don't believe the government should be involve in healthcare in the first place.

If we're talking about Republican Congress Critters as opposed to rank-and-file voters, half is a generous estimate. Most of those goobers are full-on Ayn Rand disciples in practice if not in name. The only reason more of them don't talk about it like Paul Ryan does is too many of them are that fond of reading at all.

Of course they will gladly make an exception, though, for government for government providing Health Care to themselves, their staff, and their families. Got to keep things in perspective after all.

[The Other Castro]

Lee and Moran reportedly did not give the White House a heads up.

[SoLongAtlas]

Lee and Moran reportedly did not give the White House a heads up.

They are a no because they said it didn't cut enough but yeah I can see them wanted to tell Trump symbolically where to shove it. Probably Rand convinced them to switch from yes to no.

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Update: CNN now reporting they are going all in on a two-year repeal and replace later plan. Seven+ years later and DOH! We got nothing!

[Ronnie]

Breaking: Shelley Moore Capito comes out against repeal without replace: https://mobile.twitter.com/SenCapito/status/887319867208204292/photo/1

Assuming Heller and Collins oppose it as well, McConnell's proposal is DOA.

[Yank2133]

Collins is also a no.

This thing is dead at the moment with McCain being out.

[ProudModerate2]

Collins is also a no.
This thing is dead at the moment with McCain being out.

I have a feeling there will be more No's to come.
This repeal only idea is not going to work.

[Blair]

I mean the fact they're considering voting when Mccain isn't there (and therefore it would fail already) just shows how desperate they are to have some show of loyalty- if they don't it would be the third time they've cancelled a vote on this

[7,052,770]

Breaking: Shelley Moore Capito comes out against repeal without replace: https://mobile.twitter.com/SenCapito/status/887319867208204292/photo/1

Assuming Heller and Collins oppose it as well, McConnell's proposal is DOA.

That's great that she's against it now, but is anyone going to call her out for voting yes on the same bill 2 years ago?

[BudgieForce]

Just being reported that Lisa Murkowski is against the motion to proceed on straight repeal. Thats 3 no's.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/887351334554521600

[GeorgiaModerate]

Breaking: Shelley Moore Capito comes out against repeal without replace: https://mobile.twitter.com/SenCapito/status/887319867208204292/photo/1

Assuming Heller and Collins oppose it as well, McConnell's proposal is DOA.

That's great that she's against it now, but is anyone going to call her out for voting yes on the same bill 2 years ago?

I suspect that there will be ads from her opponents in future campaigns that call her out for flip-flopping on it.

[Yank2133]

Trump is on tv talking gibberish.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Trump is on tv talking gibberish.

Details?