Trumpcare Megathread: It's dead (for now)

[Person Man]

When are they voting on it?

[Santander]

They are so full of sh**t on the employer mandate.

ACA didn't negatively impact job creation at all, in fact it had the opposite effect.

I'm calling BS on that. How can you logically assert that increasing the cost of hiring employees had a positive effect on job creation? The economy added jobs despite the employer mandate, and perhaps you could even go as far as saying the employer mandate had no meaningful effect on job creation, but it's just unreasonable to say that the employer mandate had a positive effect on job creation.

[BudgieForce]

When are they voting on it?

Early moring, probably around 3 am.

Edit: Chris Hayes says midnight, Senator Perdue said 3 am.

[Yank2133]

They are so full of sh**t on the employer mandate.

ACA didn't negatively impact job creation at all, in fact it had the opposite effect.

I'm calling BS on that. How can you logically assert that increasing the cost of hiring employees had a positive effect on job creation? The economy added jobs despite the employer mandate, and perhaps you could even go as far as saying the employer mandate had no meaningful effect on job creation, but it's just unreasonable to say that the employer mandate had a positive effect on job creation.

The ACA helped fuel entrepreneurship because it allowed people to take risk without worrying about medical bills.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/bluesky/technology/ct-obamacare-new-start-ups-wp-bsi-20170221-story.html

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Community health centers = defund planned parenthood?

Yes

[Santander]

They are so full of sh**t on the employer mandate.

ACA didn't negatively impact job creation at all, in fact it had the opposite effect.

I'm calling BS on that. How can you logically assert that increasing the cost of hiring employees had a positive effect on job creation? The economy added jobs despite the employer mandate, and perhaps you could even go as far as saying the employer mandate had no meaningful effect on job creation, but it's just unreasonable to say that the employer mandate had a positive effect on job creation.

The ACA helped fuel entrepreneurship because it allowed people to take risk without worrying about medical bills.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/bluesky/technology/ct-obamacare-new-start-ups-wp-bsi-20170221-story.html

Are you suggesting that these "entrepreneurs" created more "jobs" than the ones which were not created because of the employer mandate?

[Yank2133]

They are so full of sh**t on the employer mandate.

ACA didn't negatively impact job creation at all, in fact it had the opposite effect.

I'm calling BS on that. How can you logically assert that increasing the cost of hiring employees had a positive effect on job creation? The economy added jobs despite the employer mandate, and perhaps you could even go as far as saying the employer mandate had no meaningful effect on job creation, but it's just unreasonable to say that the employer mandate had a positive effect on job creation.

The ACA helped fuel entrepreneurship because it allowed people to take risk without worrying about medical bills.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/bluesky/technology/ct-obamacare-new-start-ups-wp-bsi-20170221-story.html

Are you suggesting that these "entrepreneurs" created more "jobs" than the ones which were not created because of the employer mandate?

No, I am saying it had a positive impact and allowed people to take a chance.

And the ACA didn't have a negative impact on job creation as a whole. A study on this was released last week.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w23607

[Santander]

They are so full of sh**t on the employer mandate.

ACA didn't negatively impact job creation at all, in fact it had the opposite effect.

I'm calling BS on that. How can you logically assert that increasing the cost of hiring employees had a positive effect on job creation? The economy added jobs despite the employer mandate, and perhaps you could even go as far as saying the employer mandate had no meaningful effect on job creation, but it's just unreasonable to say that the employer mandate had a positive effect on job creation.

The ACA helped fuel entrepreneurship because it allowed people to take risk without worrying about medical bills.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/bluesky/technology/ct-obamacare-new-start-ups-wp-bsi-20170221-story.html

Are you suggesting that these "entrepreneurs" created more "jobs" than the ones which were not created because of the employer mandate?

No, I am saying it had a positive impact and allowed people to take a chance.

And the ACA didn't have a negative impact on job creation as a whole. A study on this was released last week.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w23607

You were talking about the employer mandate, not all of Obamacare. I already said that it was possible that the employer mandate did not have a significant effect on job creation. But you suggested the employer mandate had a net positive effect on job creation (which would be the opposite of a net negative effect), which is just logically impossible.

[7,052,770]

Do you really they'd be flying McCain back to DC if his vote didn't mean the difference in passing or failing?

I'll accept my accolades on this one. They had to bring in McCain, or else the MTP would have failed. And with the PP defunding, Collins and Murkowski are a hard no, meaning McCain's presence mean the "skinny repeal" can pass tonight.

If one more senator had some courage, they wouldn't have had to pull this man off his deathbed to fly to Washington to deny millions the medical care he's currently getting.

[Yank2133]

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I was just about to post this.

This is sh**t policy, but man these people are cowards.

[Hindsight was 2020]

So they want to go to conference with a bill they don't like? Do they know how a conference works?

[Progressive]

To be clear, is TONIGHT at midnight, "THE" big vote on Trumpcare?

[7,052,770]

I think it's safe to say it passes. At this point, if someone is suddenly a "no," they'll forever be known as the senator who saved the ACA and the lives of millions, an "honor" that no GOP senator wants. All of the grandstanding was just that.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

To be clear, is TONIGHT at midnight, "THE" big vote on Trumpcare?

Maybe. We've heard Midnight and We've also heard 3 AM. We'll just have to see.

[krazen1211]

Well, someone is gonna get cucked soon. Heh.

[Progressive]

To be clear, is TONIGHT at midnight, "THE" big vote on Trumpcare?

Maybe. We've heard Midnight and We've also heard 3 AM. We'll just have to see.

Right, regardless of timing, is this THE bill though?

[The Other Castro]

To be clear, is TONIGHT at midnight, "THE" big vote on Trumpcare?

Maybe. We've heard Midnight and We've also heard 3 AM. We'll just have to see.

Right, regardless of timing, is this THE bill though?

It's A bill. Not necessarily THE bill, but it could be.

[Person Man]

with reconciliation, this bill won't be "permanent", right? And at rate, it can only get 50 votes max.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

with reconciliation, this bill won't be "permanent", right? And at rate, it can only get 50 votes max.

The Waivers, Individual Mandate Repeal, and HSA changes are permanent I believe. The rest eventually expires.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Question: On the Amendment (Heller Amdt. No. 502 )

Statement of Purpose: To strike the sunset of the repeal of the tax on employee health insurance premiums and health plan benefits.

Vote Result: Amendment Agreed to

YEAs ---52
Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Burr (R-NC)
Capito (R-WV)
Cassidy (R-LA)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Cortez Masto (D-NV)
Cotton (R-AR)
Crapo (R-ID)
Cruz (R-TX)
Daines (R-MT)
Enzi (R-WY)
Ernst (R-IA)
Fischer (R-NE)
Flake (R-AZ)
Gardner (R-CO)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Heinrich (D-NM)
Heller (R-NV)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kennedy (R-LA)
Lankford (R-OK)
Lee (R-UT)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Moran (R-KS)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Paul (R-KY)
Perdue (R-GA)
Portman (R-OH)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rounds (R-SD)
Rubio (R-FL)
Scott (R-SC)
Shelby (R-AL)
Strange (R-AL)
Sullivan (R-AK)
Thune (R-SD)
Tillis (R-NC)
Toomey (R-PA)
Wicker (R-MS)
Young (R-IN)

NAYs ---48
Baldwin (D-WI)
Bennet (D-CO)
Blumenthal (D-CT)
Booker (D-NJ)
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Coons (D-DE)
Corker (R-TN)
Donnelly (D-IN)
Duckworth (D-IL)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Harris (D-CA)
Hassan (D-NH)
Heitkamp (D-ND)
Hirono (D-HI)
Kaine (D-VA)
King (I-ME)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Leahy (D-VT)
Manchin (D-WV)
Markey (D-MA)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Murphy (D-CT)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Peters (D-MI)
Reed (D-RI)
Sanders (I-VT)
Sasse (R-NE)
Schatz (D-HI)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-NM)
Van Hollen (D-MD)
Warner (D-VA)
Warren (D-MA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

[riceowl]

Weird amendment vote count. Heinrich? CortezMasto? Alexander? Sasse?

[The Other Castro]

Welp, looks like Senate Republicans want to lock themselves into a position to be blackmailed by the House Republicans. On another note, if this does end up being passed by the House (even though Ryan pinky promised), the amount of disgusting precedent this process has set makes potentially passing something like single payer a lot easier in 2021.

[Progressive]

Gee whiz do I hate Mike Enzi

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

That was Cadillac tax?

Yes

[Gass3268]

It all comes down to McCain:

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This was from 5 hours ago.

Pence is en route to the Capitol.