Trumpcare Megathread: It's dead (for now)

[Confused Democrat]

So, the skinny repeal preserves 95% of ObamaCare, doesn't get rid of the Medicaid expansion, or the exchanges or like, 95% of things ObamaCare does.

But it raises premiums 20% and kicks off 16 million people because of higher premiums. Do I have that right?

Yes. And most Republican senators  seem to be aware of that and will vote yes anyway

They're making a short term political calculation that will royally screw them in future elections.

The thing is I don't even get what the short-term benefits are from this.

They'll get to say that they won and that they were able to do what everyone in the media establishment thought was impossible. They'll also get to say that they kept a major campaign promise, and they'll blame any of the catastrophic consequences of their bill on the Democrats.

Which the public won't blame Dems for tho. Cuz that's not how politics works

How politics works is whoever can dominate the narrative wins. And democrats should aim to dominate the narrative by pointing out repeatedly that Skinny Repeal will kill 16 million people.

It won't kill 16 million people, but point taken.

[Yank2133]

So, the skinny repeal preserves 95% of ObamaCare, doesn't get rid of the Medicaid expansion, or the exchanges or like, 95% of things ObamaCare does.

But it raises premiums 20% and kicks off 16 million people because of higher premiums. Do I have that right?

Yes. And most Republican senators  seem to be aware of that and will vote yes anyway

They're making a short term political calculation that will royally screw them in future elections.

The thing is I don't even get what the short-term benefits are from this.

They'll get to say that they won and that they were able to do what everyone in the media establishment thought was impossible. They'll also get to say that they kept a major campaign promise, and they'll blame any of the catastrophic consequences of their bill on the Democrats.

Which the public won't blame Dems for tho. Cuz that's not how politics works

How politics works is whoever can dominate the narrative wins. And democrats should aim to dominate the narrative by pointing out repeatedly that Skinny Repeal will kill 16 million people.

This isn't how healthcare politics work.

When it comes to healthcare in this country, people are wary of change. People hated the system prior to the ACA, but were still apprehensive about the law and it cost the Democrats in 2010 and 2014.

[ProudModerate2]

What is the Senate doing right now ?
What's going on, at this minute ?
Can someone give me an update ?

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

^ They are debating. No vote yet.

[Gass3268]

^ They are debating. No vote yet.

No one was debating, Mike Enzi was essentially filibustering. Almost no Democrats got to speak at the end.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

^ They are debating. No vote yet.

No one was debating, Mike Enzi was essentially filibustering. Almost no Democrats got to speak at the end.

Yeah, Enzi kept saying NO I WILL NOT ANSWER QUESTIONS, IT'S MY TUUUUURRRRN. Then rambled about infant mortality rates

[Gass3268]

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What an fing joke.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

So, the skinny repeal preserves 95% of ObamaCare, doesn't get rid of the Medicaid expansion, or the exchanges or like, 95% of things ObamaCare does.

But it raises premiums 20% and kicks off 16 million people because of higher premiums. Do I have that right?

Yes. And most Republican senators  seem to be aware of that and will vote yes anyway

They're making a short term political calculation that will royally screw them in future elections.

The GOP, especially now with Trump as their figurehead, cares more now about the optics of ostensible victory over actual substantive victories. Such is the myopia that has infected the party. It's like watching a trainwreck full of people you don't like, and who mean you harm happen in slow motion.

The wreck itself is awful, and the damage it does is going to be heartbreaking. But I'm not personally on the train and it's hard to resist the anticipatory schadenfreude.

[The Other Castro]

I think they are doing about 15 more minutes of closing arguments, then presumably they will vote.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

lolol...Conservatives on Facebook are pissed...sharing this chart:

And the GOP and Trump will own all of the negatives.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

McCain will chicken out and vote YES on it, watch.

[Gass3268]

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Take this as you will.

That being said, I doubt McCain will do the right thing.

[7,052,770]

Are they going to allow the PP defunding through reconciliation?

[Confused Democrat]

McCain will chicken out and vote YES on it, watch.

Of course he will lol.

[Pyro]

McCain will chicken out and vote YES on it, watch.

Are people expecting him to vote No?

[Santander]

If you're watching live, the outcome is pretty clear already.

[Devout Centrist]

I called McCain 20 times, doubt he or anyone listened to them, but I did the best I could.

[Confused Democrat]

If you're watching live, the outcome is pretty clear already.

I'm not. Mind spelling it out for me?

[Don Vito Corleone]

Where can I watch the vote happen?

[Hindsight was 2020]

Where can I watch the vote happen?

Cspan

[Matty]

Matt Fuller reporting that mccain told schumer he will vote no, and schumer left smiling.

[Devout Centrist]

Where can I watch the vote happen?

Cspan

Had a conversation /=/ No

[Gass3268]

Rumbling on Twitter is that McCain is a no.

[Gass3268]

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[Gass3268]

McCain just applauded Schumer's speech.