Trumpcare Megathread: It's dead (for now)

[The Other Castro]

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This probably refers to McCain and Murkowski, with perhaps Murkowski being the more uncertain one.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2017/09/20/chuck-grassley-regardless-substance-republicans-must-support-health-bill/685674001/

[Santander]

https://politicalwire.com/2017/09/20/mccain-says-position-health-care-not-changed/

Sounds like McCain's a no

Well, the reason he voted against last time was that he wanted to pass reforms through regular order because of his fondness for the Senate, not because of his fondness for poor and sick people losing health insurance. It'd be hypocritical, even by US Senate standards, for him to change his vote this time just because his work husband is a co-sponsor.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://politicalwire.com/2017/09/20/mccain-says-position-health-care-not-changed/

Sounds like McCain's a no

Well, the reason he voted against last time was that he wanted to pass reforms through regular order because of his fondness for the Senate, not because of his fondness for poor and sick people losing health insurance. It'd be hypocritical, even by US Senate standards, for him to change his vote this time just because his work husband is a co-sponsor.

And of course, we'd never have to worry about McCain doing something hypocritical

[Virginiá]

Grassley: Repealing O’Care Is More Important Than Whatever Replaces It

LOL. "We don't care if we end up killing."

It's pretty ridiculous and that horrendous plans like what we've seen this year are almost guaranteed to get at least 46 Senate Republicans on board every time, right off the bat.  That is how much of their caucus either doesn't have a spine, are cruel as hell, and/or have no idea or care for what legislating the proper, safe way is. Ramming semi-secret bills that reshape 1/6th of the economy through without any real debate is patently absurd and dangerous.

[7,052,770]

I don't think that most of the GOP senators are pure evil, they just honestly don't know how many thousands of lives have directly been saved by the ACA. If it hasn't directly impacted a friend or family member, and you automatically distrust anything Democrats say about it, how would you ever learn what a godsend it's been to millions?

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

It would be hilarious if Murkowski votes Yes but the bill still fails.

[Dr. Arch]

I don't think that most of the GOP senators are pure evil, they just honestly don't know how many thousands of lives have directly been saved by the ACA. If it hasn't directly impacted a friend or family member, and you automatically distrust anything Democrats say about it, how would you ever learn what a godsend it's been to millions?

IF they are to plea to ignorance, how exactly do you explain away the fact that they did their darnest to push the previous bill, which was analyzed to cut over 20 million Americans off healthcare??

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I don't think that most of the GOP senators are pure evil, they just honestly don't know how many thousands of lives have directly been saved by the ACA. If it hasn't directly impacted a friend or family member, and you automatically distrust anything Democrats say about it, how would you ever learn what a godsend it's been to millions?

IF they are to plea to ignorance, how exactly do you explain away the fact that they did their darnest to push the previous bill, which was analyzed to cut over 20 million Americans off healthcare??

It seems that they believe the CBO is a bunch of liberals.

[7,052,770]

I don't think that most of the GOP senators are pure evil, they just honestly don't know how many thousands of lives have directly been saved by the ACA. If it hasn't directly impacted a friend or family member, and you automatically distrust anything Democrats say about it, how would you ever learn what a godsend it's been to millions?

IF they are to plea to ignorance, how exactly do you explain away the fact that they did their darnest to push the previous bill, which was analyzed to cut over 20 million Americans off healthcare??

Their staffs didn't tell them that? I don't know.

[Dr. Arch]

I don't think that most of the GOP senators are pure evil, they just honestly don't know how many thousands of lives have directly been saved by the ACA. If it hasn't directly impacted a friend or family member, and you automatically distrust anything Democrats say about it, how would you ever learn what a godsend it's been to millions?

IF they are to plea to ignorance, how exactly do you explain away the fact that they did their darnest to push the previous bill, which was analyzed to cut over 20 million Americans off healthcare??

Their staffs didn't tell them that? I don't know.

Yeah no. That's too much to try and rationalize it.

[Cashew]

I don't think that most of the GOP senators are pure evil, they just honestly don't know how many thousands of lives have directly been saved by the ACA. If it hasn't directly impacted a friend or family member, and you automatically distrust anything Democrats say about it, how would you ever learn what a godsend it's been to millions?

That a supposed "representative" like Rob Portman only flip flopped on gay marriage because of his son is pretty contemptible as well, but then again "compassion for me, but not for thee" seems to be an integral part of american "conservative" psychology.

[Matty]

Fwiw, there is no evidence that the ACA has significantly saved lives

In fact, Life expectancy in America right now is lower than it was in 2013

[7,052,770]

Fwiw, there is no evidence that the ACA has significantly saved lives

In fact, Life expectancy in America right now is lower than it was in 2013

Uh ... If a previously uninsured person was able to get coverage thanks to the ACA, and then is diagnosed with cancer but is treated and survives, the ACA saved their life. To the uninsured, even a normally treatable cancer is usually a death sentence because fighting and beating cancer costs hundreds of thousands or more.

[Matty]

The proportion of Americans with private insurance is lower now than it was before the ACA

And for the billionth time, insurance is not care. Obamacare premiums are in many cases so ridiculous that the cost is prohibitive right off the bat

The vast majority (87%) of ACA expansion happened through Medicaid. Medicaid is NOT correlated with increased health outcomes nor a decrease in emergency room visits

In fact, and you can google this, emergency room usage is higher now than it was before

[Brittain33]

Medicaid is NOT correlated with increased health outcomes nor a decrease in emergency room visits

In fact, and you can google this, emergency room usage is higher now than it was before

Do you have a citation on the first one?

On the latter, if true... so what? Drug overdoses are way up since 2010, that will cause more emergency room visits, and there's no reason to think "the same number of people are visiting the emergency room" is incompatible with "more people are getting needed medical care outside of Emergency Rooms, and experiencing improved health than before".

[7,052,770]

The proportion of Americans with private insurance is lower now than it was before the ACA

And for the billionth time, insurance is not care. Obamacare premiums are in many cases so ridiculous that the cost is prohibitive right off the bat

The vast majority (87%) of ACA expansion happened through Medicaid. Medicaid is NOT correlated with increased health outcomes nor a decrease in emergency room visits

In fact, and you can google this, emergency room usage is higher now than it was before

You didn't address any of my points at all. Who cares whether the uninsured are getting private insurance or Medicaid? The fact remains that ~20,000,000 Americans (the estimates vary) have insurance thanks to the ACA, and any of those 20,000,000 who survived cancer since then had their lives saved by the ACA.

[Dr. Arch]

The proportion of Americans with private insurance is lower now than it was before the ACA

And for the billionth time, insurance is not care. Obamacare premiums are in many cases so ridiculous that the cost is prohibitive right off the bat

The vast majority (87%) of ACA expansion happened through Medicaid. Medicaid is NOT correlated with increased health outcomes nor a decrease in emergency room visits

In fact, and you can google this, emergency room usage is higher now than it was before

You didn't address any of my points at all. Who cares whether the uninsured are getting private insurance or Medicaid? The fact remains that ~20,000,000 Americans (the estimates vary) have insurance thanks to the ACA, and any of those 20,000,000 who survived cancer since then had their lives saved by the ACA.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Jeff Flake on Stephen Colbert tonight. Look for Flake to be hammered on his current support of Cassidy-Graham.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

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[mijan]

Every gop healthcare plan will be disaster.

[Dr. Arch]

Every gop healthcare plan will be disaster.

Yep, just think about it. If the ACA is really as bad as they say it is, they must be pretty dumb and incompetent to not be able to come up with something better.

[Person Man]

Every gop healthcare plan will be disaster.

Yep, just think about it. If the ACA is really as bad as they say it is, they must be pretty dumb and incompetent to not be able to come up with something better.

Define "good"

[Dr. Arch]

Every gop healthcare plan will be disaster.

Yep, just think about it. If the ACA is really as bad as they say it is, they must be pretty dumb and incompetent to not be able to come up with something better.

Define "good"

Any improvement on the ACA would be good, or a move towards single-payer, of course.

[Person Man]

Every gop healthcare plan will be disaster.

Yep, just think about it. If the ACA is really as bad as they say it is, they must be pretty dumb and incompetent to not be able to come up with something better.

Define "good"

Any improvement on the ACA would be good, or a move towards single-payer, of course.

and for them?

[Dr. Arch]

Every gop healthcare plan will be disaster.

Yep, just think about it. If the ACA is really as bad as they say it is, they must be pretty dumb and incompetent to not be able to come up with something better.

Define "good"

Any improvement on the ACA would be good, or a move towards single-payer, of course.

and for them?

They could get rid of the individual mandate, I suppose. Thing is, the ACA is the Republican plan.