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« on: March 13, 2017, 05:36:30 PM »

I've been thinking a lot about the kind of government I want and its a government where moral values are the most important and that includes compassion.

I don't see how conservatism is in alignment with my religious views.  I find it to be uninspiring and centered around money, instead of being centered around community.

What happens when you combine religion and government but not Pat Robertson but more like Pope Francis?  Have there ever been governments that are based on a religion that is socialist in its thinking?

I don't want a massive centralized government either, but I want Money and materialism to become less important.  I want to replace that with humility, grace, and selflessness...

and I feel as if the culture doesn't reflect anything holy.  Up until now, its either been one way or the other - religious right or secular left...

what about religious left?  Why hasn't that ever really grown into a powerful force in America?
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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2017, 05:39:53 PM »

It should be.
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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2017, 05:43:31 PM »

what about religious left?  Why hasn't that ever really grown into a powerful force in America?

"Ever" is a strong word.
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2017, 06:01:07 PM »

what about religious left?  Why hasn't that ever really grown into a powerful force in America?

"Ever" is a strong word.

Yeah. Father Coughlin had millions of supporters!
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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2017, 06:15:01 PM »

It's an oxymoron.
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2017, 06:24:02 PM »

Gen Z liberals tend to be pretty religious. "Jesus was a socialist" and we need to take care of the poor, etc. whereas the conservatives are more likely to be secular or nononreligous in comparison.
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2017, 06:27:34 PM »

Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights movement (and some of the original Abolitionist movement) can be called "Religious Left."
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2017, 06:40:11 PM »

We dont need William Jennings Bryan type politicians
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2017, 07:10:12 PM »

We dont need William Jennings Bryan type politicians now more than ever
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2017, 07:14:29 PM »

We dont need William Jennings Bryan Ted Cruz type politicians now more than ever

Fixed again. Tongue. (Though WJB would be an excellent improvement over traditional Dems).
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2017, 07:18:25 PM »

We dont need William Jennings Bryan Ted Cruz type politicians now more than ever

Fixed again. Tongue. (Though WJB would be an excellent improvement over traditional Dems).

There!
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2017, 07:18:36 PM »

We dont need William Jennings Bryan Ted Cruz type politicians now more than ever

Fixed again. Tongue. (Though WJB would be an excellent improvement over traditional Dems).
In a party system that pitted WJB-type Dems against Bloomberg-type Reps, which party would you be inclined to vote for?
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2017, 07:19:33 PM »

what about religious left?  Why hasn't that ever really grown into a powerful force in America?

"Ever" is a strong word.

Yeah. Father Coughlin had millions of supporters!

People like William Lloyd Garrison and William Jennings Bryan are much readier examples, and I really can't tell whether or not you're bringing up Father Coughlin in good faith. Honestly I hope you're not.
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2017, 07:31:37 PM »

We dont need William Jennings Bryan Ted Cruz type politicians now more than ever

Fixed again. Tongue. (Though WJB would be an excellent improvement over traditional Dems).
In a party system that pitted WJB-type Dems against Bloomberg-type Reps, which party would you be inclined to vote for?

I'm a secularist, atheist, and college educated and I would vote for WJB probably 8/10.
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2017, 07:35:49 PM »



Although I wouldn't say that he was close to what we would today call religious left.
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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2017, 07:49:07 PM »

Gen Z liberals tend to be pretty religious. "Jesus was a socialist" and we need to take care of the poor, etc. whereas the conservatives are more likely to be secular or nononreligous in comparison.

I thought Get Z liberals didn't exist and 90% of them are Nazis?
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2017, 07:55:54 PM »

what about religious left?  Why hasn't that ever really grown into a powerful force in America?

"Ever" is a strong word.

Yeah. Father Coughlin had millions of supporters!

People like William Lloyd Garrison and William Jennings Bryan are much readier examples, and I really can't tell whether or not you're bringing up Father Coughlin in good faith. Honestly I hope you're not.

I was being facetious, but not entirely so: anti-materialism in economics and the Catholic Church are linked pretty closely in my mind, and I don't think it would be unfair to say that the 1930s was the peak (or included in the peak) of Catholic power in the United States.
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2017, 08:43:40 PM »

Gen Z liberals tend to be pretty religious. "Jesus was a socialist" and we need to take care of the poor, etc. whereas the conservatives are more likely to be secular or nononreligous in comparison.

I thought Get Z liberals didn't exist and 90% of them are Nazis?

90% of the white ones are Wink
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2017, 08:51:22 PM »

Gen Z liberals tend to be pretty religious. "Jesus was a socialist" and we need to take care of the poor, etc. whereas the conservatives are more likely to be secular or nononreligous in comparison.

I thought Get Z liberals didn't exist and 90% of them are Nazis?

90% of the white ones are Wink


A statistically unprovable statement.
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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2017, 08:55:02 PM »

We dont need William Jennings Bryan Ted Cruz type politicians now more than ever

Fixed again. Tongue. (Though WJB would be an excellent improvement over traditional Dems).
In a party system that pitted WJB-type Dems against Bloomberg-type Reps, which party would you be inclined to vote for?

Obviously WJB-types, assuming they were rock-solid on the issues of life and religious liberty and the Bloomberg-types were pro-choice.
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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2017, 08:57:33 PM »

Gen Z liberals tend to be pretty religious. "Jesus was a socialist" and we need to take care of the poor, etc. whereas the conservatives are more likely to be secular or nononreligous in comparison.

I thought Get Z liberals didn't exist and 90% of them are Nazis?

90% of the white ones are Wink


A statistically unprovable statement.

You can't disprove it. You know it's true.
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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2017, 09:32:47 PM »

We dont need William Jennings Bryan Ted Cruz type politicians now more than ever

Fixed again. Tongue. (Though WJB would be an excellent improvement over traditional Dems).
In a party system that pitted WJB-type Dems against Bloomberg-type Reps, which party would you be inclined to vote for?

Obviously WJB-types, assuming they were rock-solid on the issues of life and religious liberty and the Bloomberg-types were pro-choice.

Reuben Diaz would probably be a good example of this.
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« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2017, 11:01:13 PM »

i thought the teachings of Jesus are in general - for a layman - always easier to combine with a left-ish worldview than a ryan-ite one, even while i ofc realize that the abortion debate is much more heated and front-and-center in the US.

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« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2017, 11:09:06 PM »

We dont need William Jennings Bryan Ted Cruz type politicians now more than ever

Fixed again. Tongue. (Though WJB would be an excellent improvement over traditional Dems).
In a party system that pitted WJB-type Dems against Bloomberg-type Reps, which party would you be inclined to vote for?

Yuck. Come on, aren't there any better examples of secular somewhat socially liberalish right wingers? Tongue
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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2017, 11:22:37 PM »

We dont need William Jennings Bryan Ted Cruz type politicians now more than ever

Fixed again. Tongue. (Though WJB would be an excellent improvement over traditional Dems).
In a party system that pitted WJB-type Dems against Bloomberg-type Reps, which party would you be inclined to vote for?

Yuck. Come on, aren't there any better examples of secular somewhat socially liberalish right wingers? Tongue


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