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Question: I think about redistributive economical systems as.....
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Freedom Concept: - Income and Wealth
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F Concept: - Only Income
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F Concept: - Only Wealth
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ApatheticAustrian
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« on: March 13, 2017, 11:41:02 PM »

Am i doing this right?  :-P

Seems..eh....up-todate..and surely has only been there a few dozen times.


As a center-european EU-socialist, ofc big fan, as long as it is not done in Hollandish-stupid ways.
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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2017, 11:48:18 PM »

     Some is realistically necessary, but I prefer that it be tightly limited.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2017, 12:15:13 AM »

Freedom Concept: - Income and Wealth
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2017, 12:36:14 AM »

Freedom Concept. Keep it coming.
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2017, 01:12:34 AM »

You should clarify that this is downwards redistribution. Most conservatives and right-libertarians are big fans of redistribution, but only if is money distributed from the poor to the rich.
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2017, 05:49:18 AM »

Neutral. It depends how it is implemented. Cash transfers good, rent seeking bad.
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2017, 12:14:56 PM »

I think everyone should keep the income they make.  If you work hard at a job every day, you should be able to get to keep it all to feed your family and make a better life for your children, plus have a little left over for things like Christmas gifts and family vacations.

Every American worker deserves a certain amount of discretionary income that is not tied to the rent/mortgage, food, gas, bills, insurance...because in a capitalist society, that discretionary income is necessary so that the overwhelming majority of middle class people can have the purchasing power to buy the goods that are manufactured.

I think the enormous wealth that is generated by Wall Street and massive corporations should be shared by all because all of the workers contributed in so that that wealth could be made.  Those Wall Street stock traders aren't magicians - it takes a lot of people to make that money.

Maybe we don't need government to redistribute money.  If the capitalist economy had a strong moral compass, and we stopped being so greedy, we could trust Business to take care of the welfare of the people. 
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2017, 12:20:15 PM »

You should clarify that this is downwards redistribution. Most conservatives and right-libertarians are big fans of redistribution, but only if is money distributed from the poor to the rich.

When the conservatives scream "Class Warfare!  Class Warfare!", they're letting out a big secret  - it's them that's firing all of the shots.  They're the ones who started the class war.
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2017, 12:38:57 PM »

Necessary to some extent, though I hesitate to call it a "freedom concept".
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2017, 12:42:33 PM »

Relative freedom concept to a certain extent (not more than is currently the case in a country like mine), but there should be more focus on wealth and less on income.
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2017, 04:17:16 PM »

You should clarify that this is downwards redistribution. Most conservatives and right-libertarians are big fans of redistribution, but only if is money distributed from the poor to the rich.

When the conservatives scream "Class Warfare!  Class Warfare!", they're letting out a big secret  - it's them that's firing all of the shots.  They're the ones who started the class war.

Hot take, bro.
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2017, 05:00:46 PM »

Redistribution is a horrible concept. Distribution, on the other hand, is definitely a freedom concept.
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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2017, 08:01:17 PM »

Freedom concept (upper-middle-class but not completely morally bankrupt)
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2017, 08:07:38 PM »

Neutral. I'd have to know a bit more before I can judge. But, in most cases, opposed.
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2017, 10:08:01 AM »

The nature of capitalism is to redistribute wealth/income upwards. The whole model is based on the idea that you only have a job if the value of your labour exceeds the cost of it; if you are paid less than you produce for your employer.

So really, the only morally acceptable solution to this is a redistribution of income so that workers incomes can approach the value of the wealth that they generate for owners.
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2017, 10:37:34 AM »

Definite freedom concept. 

Conservatives say "we shouldn't worry about who gets what share of the pie.  We should just focus on making our pie bigger and bigger."  Well in a nation as wealthy as the US, there is no excuse for why everyone can't have a big enough share of the pie to meet the basic needs of life.
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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2017, 10:49:25 AM »

Definite freedom concept. 

Conservatives say "we shouldn't worry about who gets what share of the pie.  We should just focus on making our pie bigger and bigger."  Well in a nation as wealthy as the US, there is no excuse for why everyone can't have a big enough share of the pie to meet the basic needs of life.
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2017, 08:32:20 PM »

Horrible concept. One of my most passionately conservative positions on economics is on taxes.
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2017, 08:50:04 PM »

You should clarify that this is downwards redistribution. Most conservatives and right-libertarians are big fans of redistribution, but only if is money distributed from the poor to the rich.

Yeah. I support killing the poor, seizing all their possessions and wealth, and giving it to Bill Gates. Oh wait, no I don't, because I'm not a Chinese communist-capitalist-human rights violator.
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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2017, 08:58:11 PM »

You should clarify that this is downwards redistribution. Most conservatives and right-libertarians are big fans of redistribution, but only if is money distributed from the poor to the rich.

Actually no, conservatives support ending corporate welfare as well.
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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2017, 09:04:50 PM »

You should clarify that this is downwards redistribution. Most conservatives and right-libertarians are big fans of redistribution, but only if is money distributed from the poor to the rich.

I don't know any libertarian who supports corporate welfare.
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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2017, 09:10:12 PM »

One thing I like about Libertarian-ism still is the acknowledgement of unintended consequences. Sadly, I don't think there's much acknowledgement in their own policies - which I think would result in large corporate benefit in what is effect indirect corporate welfare.
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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2017, 09:44:30 PM »


Actually no, conservatives support ending corporate welfare as well.

i think you should define that more ...specifically.

some conservative or more ideologically pure conservatives do.
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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2017, 09:48:20 PM »

I don't know any libertarian who supports corporate welfare.

in theory...none.

practically, if they come from rural districts ....just mention the word "ethanol" and watch them melting.
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« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2017, 08:51:05 AM »

You should clarify that this is downwards redistribution. Most conservatives and right-libertarians are big fans of redistribution, but only if is money distributed from the poor to the rich.

I don't know any libertarian who supports corporate welfare.


A libertarian society - "corporate welfare" or otherwise - will distribute wealth upwards. That's partly the point of government redistribution - to correct a natural instinct of the market.
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