Who is worse: intersectionalists or TERFs?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

As hilariously inane as intersectionalists tend to be, it's tough to top TERFs for sheer unpleasantness. Plus intersectionalism is at least a solid idea on paper that just happens to only be promoted by lunatics who take it to insane conclusions, while TERF ideology is fundamentally awful.

[Beet]

While my beliefs are closer to intersectionalism, most intersectionalists just practice Oppression Olympics to rip each other apart, and are really driven by a need to employ hate speech for the sake of virtue signaling. It is completely vile. The TERFs, while I disagree with them the same way I would disagree with same-sex marriage opponents, at least are honest about their bigotry. Which makes them relatively ineffectual. The bigotry of the intersectionalists is far more insidious because it is hidden beneath layers of pseudo-academic gobbleygook. It goes on for years and years without ever being challenged. They also use authoritarian tactics and have succeeded in turning thousands if not millions of young people into anti-SJW backlash and Alt Right.

[Associate Justice PiT]

While my beliefs are closer to intersectionalism, most intersectionalists just practice Oppression Olympics to rip each other apart, and are really driven by a need to employ hate speech for the sake of virtue signaling. It is completely vile. The TERFs, while I disagree with them the same way I would disagree with same-sex marriage opponents, at least are honest about their bigotry. Which makes them relatively ineffectual. The bigotry of the intersectionalists is far more insidious because it is hidden beneath layers of pseudo-academic gobbleygook. It goes on for years and years without ever being challenged. They also use authoritarian tactics and have succeeded in turning thousands if not millions of young people into anti-SJW backlash and Alt Right.

     I more or less agree with this. TERFs are terrible, but they are also outdated and nearly irrelevant at this point. It's not a coincidence that the most prominent one is 78 now. Intersectionalists have much more opportunity to cause damage down the road.

[Devout Centrist]

TERFS, obviously. Their philosophy is fundamentally bankrupt. Intersectionalism has its idiots, but is positive on the whole.

Or at least I would hope so, since I am intersectional.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

TERFS, obviously. Their philosophy is fundamentally bankrupt. Intersectionalism has its idiots, but is positive on the whole.

Or at least I would hope so, since I am intersectional.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

TERFS, obviously. Their philosophy is fundamentally bankrupt. Intersectionalism has its idiots, but is positive on the whole.

Or at least I would hope so, since I am intersectional.

[Simfan34]

The latter are freedom fighters.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

The latter are freedom fighters.

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[Intell]

What even are they?

[Arturo Belano]

TERFS, obviously. Their philosophy is fundamentally bankrupt. Intersectionalism has its idiots, but is positive on the whole.

Or at least I would hope so, since I am intersectional.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

While my beliefs are closer to intersectionalism, most intersectionalists just practice Oppression Olympics to rip each other apart, and are really driven by a need to employ hate speech for the sake of virtue signaling. It is completely vile. The TERFs, while I disagree with them the same way I would disagree with same-sex marriage opponents, at least are honest about their bigotry. Which makes them relatively ineffectual. The bigotry of the intersectionalists is far more insidious because it is hidden beneath layers of pseudo-academic gobbleygook. It goes on for years and years without ever being challenged. They also use authoritarian tactics and have succeeded in turning thousands if not millions of young people into anti-SJW backlash and Alt Right.

Millions? LOL.

Most people just laugh at intersectionalists anyway and hardly anyone takes them seriously. Becoming a Nazi because you don't like some silly sh!t someone wrote on the internet is pretty ridiculous.

[RI]

What the Christ is a terf? Is it like a nimby or a banana?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TERF

Basically, feminists who don't believe transgendered individuals born male count as women.

[Famous Mortimer]

TERFs make sense. They can answer the question, "what makes someone a woman?" Intersectionalists can't answer that except to say "that's a bigoted question you shouldn't be allowed to ask".

[KingSweden]

So TERFs are hypocrites and intersectionalists are idiots. Idk, I think both are pretty bad

(I had no idea what a TERF was until two minutes ago. They sound kind of silly)

[Figueira]

Wait, intersectionalism is considered bad by people who aren't right-wingers? I thought that just meant acknowledging that different forms of discrimination can overlap with each other.

[SWE]

It's extraordinarily difficult to be worse than a TERF, short of being like a Nazi or something, and even then, it's often tough to see the difference.

[Blackacre]

Wait, intersectionalism is considered bad by people who aren't right-wingers? I thought that just meant acknowledging that different forms of discrimination can overlap with each other.

That is exactly what intersectionalism is. It's taken too far sometimes by people who don't grasp the nuances, but at a fundamental level, it is sound and necessary.

The same cannot be said of TERFs.

[KingSweden]

Wait, intersectionalism is considered bad by people who aren't right-wingers? I thought that just meant acknowledging that different forms of discrimination can overlap with each other.

The theory of intersectionalism is not bad in and of itself. It's actually, for sociology, a very sound principle with merits

What's bad is the people who use it to either A) shut down critics for the crime of "privilege" B) hypercharge identity politics into something extreme rather than something that can benefit communities of mutual interest.

Sort of like communism's famous quote: "great idea, wrong species"

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

terfs are basically powerless 70's throwbacks. If anything they help the trans population by generally complying with the most ridiculous feminist stereotypes around, making the trans population look relatively normal by comparison (even when the media pushes ridiculous half-wits like Jenner to be the official spokesperson of transpeople).

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Wait, intersectionalism is considered bad by people who aren't right-wingers? I thought that just meant acknowledging that different forms of discrimination can overlap with each other.

That's what it means in theory but in practice it means complaining about white people wearing hoop earrings or dreadlocks or eating Chinese food.

[Mr. Reactionary]

My understanding is that "TERFs" are so indoctrinated in the whole muh patriarchy privilege causes ALL problems bs that they honestly believe that any male to female trans case is caused by a sexual fetish because why else would an evil parasite willingly give up their magical privilege power? Female to male trans are just viewed as poor oppressed souls who mistakenly think they can obtain magical privilege powers because of evil patriarchy rape culture programming.

Meanwhile normal people understand that not everything MUST be caused by some broad vague boogey man that can never be beaten. I really dont see why its so hard for a group that thinks men are the devil by blood to not understand why some of those devils might rather be angels also becauseof blood. In a lot of ways it validates their cause, it just undermines their original sin bs. Thankfully they are just a small fringe subset of a small fringe subset.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Wait, intersectionalism is considered bad by people who aren't right-wingers? I thought that just meant acknowledging that different forms of discrimination can overlap with each other.

Same, though I can see how it could be taken too far.

[Devout Centrist]

Wait, intersectionalism is considered bad by people who aren't right-wingers? I thought that just meant acknowledging that different forms of discrimination can overlap with each other.

That's what it means in theory but in practice it means complaining about white people wearing hoop earrings or dreadlocks or eating Chinese food.

If by in practice, you mean a handful of people, sure.

It's actually really funny how single incidents get more attention than they should. The reality is a lot more complex. I encourage you to watch Contrapoints on YouTube, specifically his take on cultural appropriation (spoiler: he agrees with you).

[Figueira]

Wait, intersectionalism is considered bad by people who aren't right-wingers? I thought that just meant acknowledging that different forms of discrimination can overlap with each other.

That's what it means in theory but in practice it means complaining about white people wearing hoop earrings or dreadlocks or eating Chinese food.

Why do we need to let those people ruin the concept of intersectionality for the rest of us?

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Wait, intersectionalism is considered bad by people who aren't right-wingers? I thought that just meant acknowledging that different forms of discrimination can overlap with each other.

That's what it means in theory but in practice it means complaining about white people wearing hoop earrings or dreadlocks or eating Chinese food.

Why do we need to let those people ruin the concept of intersectionality for the rest of us?

you might say they appropriated intersectionality