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MAINEiac4434
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« on: March 17, 2017, 12:00:51 PM »
« edited: March 17, 2017, 01:17:47 PM by MAINEiac4434 »

"T7 SD BPP UT" in Hancock County, Maine

Jill Stein (G) - 60.00% (3)
Gary Johnson (L) - 40.00% (2)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (D) - 0.00% (0)
Donald J. Trump (R) - 0.00% (0)
Total - 100.00% (5)
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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2017, 12:19:02 PM »

Wow, just checked and you're right. Nice find!
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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2017, 12:28:19 PM »

I spent a little bit of time trying to figure out where this is - it's the stretch of Route 1 in Unorganized Terrritory between Gouldsboro and Steuben, i.e., here: https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5058717,-68.0037672,1015m
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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2017, 12:42:45 PM »
« Edited: March 17, 2017, 12:45:58 PM by Eharding »

Romney won both votes in it in 2012, sez the Atlas.
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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2017, 01:19:02 PM »

Romney won both votes in it in 2012, sez the Atlas.
So moderate republicans that defected to Johnson in 2016 and three ultralibs who moved there after 2012?
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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2017, 01:55:08 PM »

Romney won both votes in it in 2012, sez the Atlas.
So moderate republicans that defected to Johnson in 2016 and three ultralibs who moved there after 2012?

Lol. I guess so. Tongue
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2017, 02:03:02 PM »

>assuming that Jill Stein voters are ultra-left
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2017, 02:10:41 PM »

Interestingly, Clinton came in fourth in Grand Falls UT in Penobscot County, behind Trump, Johnson, and Stein, who all tied for first.
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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2017, 03:12:23 PM »

"town"
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2017, 03:46:04 PM »

Voting district of the Hancock County Unorganized Territory.
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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2017, 08:40:15 PM »

Speaking of strange town results, I was shocked when I found this...

Holland Township, Missaukee County, Michigan

2016 (125 votes): Trump 72%, Clinton 22%, Johnson 5%
2012 (105 votes): Obama 49%, Romney 48% (Obama won by a single vote!)
2008 (124 votes): Obama 49%, McCain 47% (Obama by three!)
2004 (126 votes): Kerry 50%, Bush 49% (Kerry by a single vote!)
2000 (115 votes): Bush 49%, Gore 48% (Bush by a single vote!)

So a few things stick out. First, Missaukee County has never voted for a Democrat for President- it's Dutch Reformed farm country in northern Michigan. So the existence of a swing town there is pretty shocking. I checked on City-Data and, yes, 28% claim Dutch ancestry- but also 22% German, 17% English, 8% American. No immigrants, no gays (reported), virtually all-white, the big industries are construction and forestry and healthcare. There is at least one active Dutch Reformed church in town. These are not Democratic demographics but the town was evenly divided for years!

Three questions really, then:

(1) How and why did this rural white working-class town in the middle of historically Republican, religious conservative farm country vote for any Democrat, ever? Kinda exaggerating but not by much, it's that much of an outlier.

(2) What's up with the remarkably consistent turnout and partisan loyalties? That kind of extended polarization is what you'd expect to see from racial voting but, again, the town is all white.

(3) Why did half the Democrats in town go full #MAGA in 2016? Obama got 51 votes in 2012; Clinton got 28 votes last year, with a much bigger turnout.

If anyone knows anything about this anomaly I'd love to hear it!
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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2017, 09:40:56 PM »

I spent a little bit of time trying to figure out where this is - it's the stretch of Route 1 in Unorganized Terrritory between Gouldsboro and Steuben, i.e., here: https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5058717,-68.0037672,1015m

Interesting additional note that there is a Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall just over the town line from the couple of houses along Route 1 in this section of UT in the adjacent town of Steuben. JWs usually don't vote (believe officially there is a religious proscription against voting in JW), but I wonder if in this case the residents/voters might not all be JWs, which would explain weird voting habits.
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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2017, 10:10:42 AM »

Speaking of strange town results, I was shocked when I found this...

Holland Township, Missaukee County, Michigan

2016 (125 votes): Trump 72%, Clinton 22%, Johnson 5%
2012 (105 votes): Obama 49%, Romney 48% (Obama won by a single vote!)
2008 (124 votes): Obama 49%, McCain 47% (Obama by three!)
2004 (126 votes): Kerry 50%, Bush 49% (Kerry by a single vote!)
2000 (115 votes): Bush 49%, Gore 48% (Bush by a single vote!)

So a few things stick out. First, Missaukee County has never voted for a Democrat for President- it's Dutch Reformed farm country in northern Michigan. So the existence of a swing town there is pretty shocking. I checked on City-Data and, yes, 28% claim Dutch ancestry- but also 22% German, 17% English, 8% American. No immigrants, no gays (reported), virtually all-white, the big industries are construction and forestry and healthcare. There is at least one active Dutch Reformed church in town. These are not Democratic demographics but the town was evenly divided for years!

Three questions really, then:

(1) How and why did this rural white working-class town in the middle of historically Republican, religious conservative farm country vote for any Democrat, ever? Kinda exaggerating but not by much, it's that much of an outlier.

(2) What's up with the remarkably consistent turnout and partisan loyalties? That kind of extended polarization is what you'd expect to see from racial voting but, again, the town is all white.

(3) Why did half the Democrats in town go full #MAGA in 2016? Obama got 51 votes in 2012; Clinton got 28 votes last year, with a much bigger turnout.

If anyone knows anything about this anomaly I'd love to hear it!

I mean it's not shocking that a lot of the working class voted for the democrats before, but then voted for Trump.
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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2017, 04:20:47 PM »

Speaking of strange town results, I was shocked when I found this...

Holland Township, Missaukee County, Michigan

2016 (125 votes): Trump 72%, Clinton 22%, Johnson 5%
2012 (105 votes): Obama 49%, Romney 48% (Obama won by a single vote!)
2008 (124 votes): Obama 49%, McCain 47% (Obama by three!)
2004 (126 votes): Kerry 50%, Bush 49% (Kerry by a single vote!)
2000 (115 votes): Bush 49%, Gore 48% (Bush by a single vote!)

So a few things stick out. First, Missaukee County has never voted for a Democrat for President- it's Dutch Reformed farm country in northern Michigan. So the existence of a swing town there is pretty shocking. I checked on City-Data and, yes, 28% claim Dutch ancestry- but also 22% German, 17% English, 8% American. No immigrants, no gays (reported), virtually all-white, the big industries are construction and forestry and healthcare. There is at least one active Dutch Reformed church in town. These are not Democratic demographics but the town was evenly divided for years!

Three questions really, then:

(1) How and why did this rural white working-class town in the middle of historically Republican, religious conservative farm country vote for any Democrat, ever? Kinda exaggerating but not by much, it's that much of an outlier.

(2) What's up with the remarkably consistent turnout and partisan loyalties? That kind of extended polarization is what you'd expect to see from racial voting but, again, the town is all white.

(3) Why did half the Democrats in town go full #MAGA in 2016? Obama got 51 votes in 2012; Clinton got 28 votes last year, with a much bigger turnout.

If anyone knows anything about this anomaly I'd love to hear it!

I mean it's not shocking that a lot of the working class voted for the democrats before, but then voted for Trump.

Maybe not to you, so maybe you can explain? That doesn't answer any of the three questions I had. Wink
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2017, 07:59:29 PM »
« Edited: March 29, 2017, 01:22:48 AM by Intell »

Speaking of strange town results, I was shocked when I found this...

Holland Township, Missaukee County, Michigan

2016 (125 votes): Trump 72%, Clinton 22%, Johnson 5%
2012 (105 votes): Obama 49%, Romney 48% (Obama won by a single vote!)
2008 (124 votes): Obama 49%, McCain 47% (Obama by three!)
2004 (126 votes): Kerry 50%, Bush 49% (Kerry by a single vote!)
2000 (115 votes): Bush 49%, Gore 48% (Bush by a single vote!)

So a few things stick out. First, Missaukee County has never voted for a Democrat for President- it's Dutch Reformed farm country in northern Michigan. So the existence of a swing town there is pretty shocking. I checked on City-Data and, yes, 28% claim Dutch ancestry- but also 22% German, 17% English, 8% American. No immigrants, no gays (reported), virtually all-white, the big industries are construction and forestry and healthcare. There is at least one active Dutch Reformed church in town. These are not Democratic demographics but the town was evenly divided for years!

Three questions really, then:

(1) How and why did this rural white working-class town in the middle of historically Republican, religious conservative farm country vote for any Democrat, ever? Kinda exaggerating but not by much, it's that much of an outlier.

(2) What's up with the remarkably consistent turnout and partisan loyalties? That kind of extended polarization is what you'd expect to see from racial voting but, again, the town is all white.

(3) Why did half the Democrats in town go full #MAGA in 2016? Obama got 51 votes in 2012; Clinton got 28 votes last year, with a much bigger turnout.

If anyone knows anything about this anomaly I'd love to hear it!

I mean it's not shocking that a lot of the working class voted for the democrats before, but then voted for Trump.

Maybe not to you, so maybe you can explain? That doesn't answer any of the three questions I had. Wink

Construction and Forrestry are industries that historically leaned to the democrats, with it's working class vote. It's working class democratic vote, held stable from 2000-2012, while Trump managed to win much of these working class democrats. Look across the country, aside of Appalachia and south (which swug hard against Obama), and you can see millions of towns like this. It's a working class town in a mainly middle-class conservative county. Areas like this voted like this, and is not an anomaly.

It was probably more democratic pre 2000 and in 1988 and around ~60% democrat then.
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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2017, 04:18:41 PM »

That is awesome that there is a ME town with no Clinton or Trump voters out of 5. I might just retire there if I don't retire to Holland Twp, MI.
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