2017 French Presidential Election

[Barnes]

The Orleanist pretender to the French throne has endorsed Fillon. This changes everything!

[Tintrlvr]

The Orleanist pretender to the French throne has endorsed Fillon. This changes everything!

Interesting question, though - do royalists (confined basically entirely to the royal pretenders themselves these days) generally prefer LR or generally disavow politics as far too republican? Is an endorsement of an LR politician by a pretender unusual, or not?

[nicholas.slaydon]

https://youtu.be/hkZir1L7fSY

hahahaha larry skywalker omg

Don't forget "the weird bear".

[MAINEiac4434]

The Orleanist pretender to the French throne has endorsed Fillon. This changes everything!

I'm wholly unsurprised at this development. But aren't royals supposed to stay above the petty partisan political fray?

[Antonio the Sixth]

F**k strategic voting.

Didn't you lambast voters for voting for Stein, or at least told people, to vote for Clinton to defeat Sanders?

Would you say the same thing, if Hamon was in this position instead of Melenchon? I think before you were saying, that Melenchon voters should vote for Hamon, or am I wrong?

Pretty sure I didn't "lambast" anyone, no. But anyway, I'd argue that the conditions are a bit different here than in the 2016 US race.

Of course I'd urge Mélenchon voters to vote for Hamon. I still think Mélenchon voters now should vote for Hamon, because Hamon is the only candidate in this race who is a good person and would actually be a good President.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Hamon voters needs to stop wasting their vote if we want to win this thing over the three undesirables. They are absolutely blowing this for us. How can they be so short-sighted.

Didn't you vote for Jill Stein?

Can you blame him when a fraud like Hillary was on the ticket for Dems? Never understood how someone so radically left with -8 odd Eco score can support a centrist like HRC, but anyways...

Let's look at the Hillary alternative candidates:

-Donald Trump
-The social darwinists of the Libertarian Party.
-Some crazy lady who paid a friendly visit to Putin and thinks wi-fi causes brain damage and her running mate who thinks Jews shot down MH17, that Bernie Sanders is a white supremacist, and that Assad's shame elections are paragons of democracy to be celebrated.
-A Mormon who is basically a normal Republican.
-A bunch of assorted fringe right crazies and various Trot or fringe left crazies.

Please tell me which of these was a better option than Hillary.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Hamon voters needs to stop wasting their vote if we want to win this thing over the three undesirables. They are absolutely blowing this for us. How can they be so short-sighted.

Didn't you vote for Jill Stein?

Can you blame him when a fraud like Hillary was on the ticket for Dems? Never understood how someone so radically left with -8 odd Eco score can support a centrist like HRC, but anyways...

Let's look at the Hillary alternative candidates:

-Donald Trump
-The social darwinists of the Libertarian Party.
-Some crazy lady who paid a friendly visit to Putin and thinks wi-fi causes brain damage and her running mate who thinks Jews shot down MH17, that Bernie Sanders is a white supremacist, and that Assad's shame elections are paragons of democracy to be celebrated.
-A Mormon who is basically a normal Republican.
-A bunch of assorted fringe right crazies and various Trot or fringe left crazies.

Please tell me which of these was a better option than Hillary.

Donald Trump

[Hnv1]

The Orleanist pretender to the French throne has endorsed Fillon. This changes everything!

are there more than a 100 people in whole of France that would care about it?

[Zinneke]

The Orleanist pretender to the French throne has endorsed Fillon. This changes everything!

are there more than a 100 people in whole of France that would care about it?

Monarchism has its niche, just like Assileneau's ideas, and its vocal enough to be considered larger than 100.

[Zanas]

The Orleanist pretender to the French throne has endorsed Fillon. This changes everything!

are there more than a 100 people in whole of France that would care about it?

Monarchism has its niche, just like Assileneau's ideas, and its vocal enough to be considered larger than 100.

1793 people in France care about this...

[jaichind]

OpinionWay

Marcon       23
Le Pen       22
Fillon         20 (-1)
Melenchon 19 (+1)
Hamon        8

Hamon vote holding up pretty well.  I thought he will be down to 5% by now. 

[DL]

OpinionWay

Marcon       23
Le Pen       22
Fillon         20 (-1)
Melenchon 19 (+1)
Hamon        8

Hamon vote holding up pretty well.  I thought he will be down to 5% by now. 

Actually the 23% for Macron represents a (+1) compared to the Opinion Way poll from yesterday

[Hatman 🍁]

Incredibly ironic that the Republicans would get the endorsement of a pretender.

[Tirnam]

And it's the first time that Macron leads in this poll.

Two men have been arrested as they planed an imminent attack during the presidential elections. The candidates were advised last week. It's unclear at this point if the suspected terrorists targeted a particular candidate.

[rob in cal]

  What about the Bourbon pretender to the throne? Would he be more likely to endorse Le Pen or NDA?

[Barnes]

The Orleanist pretender to the French throne has endorsed Fillon. This changes everything!

are there more than a 100 people in whole of France that would care about it?

Monarchism has its niche, just like Assileneau's ideas, and its vocal enough to be considered larger than 100.

1793 people in France care about this...

Never forget!

[Tirnam]

Apparently François Fillon was the target, he was asked to wear a bullet-proof vest yesterday (he refused).

Ifop
Macron: 23.5% (+0.5)
Le Pen: 22.5% (=)
Fillon: 19.5% (=)
Mélenchon: 19% (-0.5)

Macron seems to regain some support this last few days. He had an important day yesterday (two big TV interviews, a huge rally in Paris) maybe he will expand his gains until the vote.

Tomorrow it will be the final poll of the Ipsos poll for Le Monde / Cévipof, with more than a 15,000 people sample, it will be interesting.

Edit: Kantar Sofres poll

Macron: 24% (=, since April, 7)
Le Pen: 23% (-1)
Fillon: 18.5% (+1.5)
Mélenchon: 18% (=)

Turnout is at 78%.

[warandwar]

Hamon voters needs to stop wasting their vote if we want to win this thing over the three undesirables. They are absolutely blowing this for us. How can they be so short-sighted.

Didn't you vote for Jill Stein?

Can you blame him when a fraud like Hillary was on the ticket for Dems? Never understood how someone so radically left with -8 odd Eco score can support a centrist like HRC, but anyways...

Let's look at the Hillary alternative candidates:

-Donald Trump
-The social darwinists of the Libertarian Party.
-Some crazy lady who paid a friendly visit to Putin and thinks wi-fi causes brain damage and her running mate who thinks Jews shot down MH17, that Bernie Sanders is a white supremacist, and that Assad's shame elections are paragons of democracy to be celebrated.
-A Mormon who is basically a normal Republican.
-A bunch of assorted fringe right crazies and various Trot or fringe left crazies.

Please tell me which of these was a better option than Hillary.

The Trots

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

SHOCK HORROR AS POLITICAL COMPASS DOESN'T PLACE EVERY CANDIDATE IN TOP RIGHT



still wrong obviously

[Hatman 🍁]

SHOCK HORROR AS POLITICAL COMPASS DOESN'T PLACE EVERY CANDIDATE IN TOP RIGHT



still wrong obviously

lol Macron

[Middle-aged Europe]

So, Macron is basically the French version of Ron Paul then?

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

Seems that French media is corrupt us well. They promote and felate Macron, because they don't want Melenchon to emerge as the left wing opposition.

[Devout Centrist]

SHOCK HORROR AS POLITICAL COMPASS DOESN'T PLACE EVERY CANDIDATE IN TOP RIGHT



still wrong obviously

Macron as the French Gary Johnson/Ron Paul is the dumbest thing I've seen all day

But of course "flawless beautiful Melenchon " gets the true leftie stamp of approval over Hamon.

Some of the dumbest political analysis ever:

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[Tirnam]

Seems that French media is corrupt us well. They promote and felate Macron, because they don't want Melenchon to emerge as the left wing opposition.

No. The media have been quite nice to Mélenchon this last month. It seems that they read his platform only a week ago (to discover the Venezuela-Cuba alliance, etc.)

[Former President tack50]

And it's the first time that Macron leads in this poll.

Two men have been arrested as they planed an imminent attack during the presidential elections. The candidates were advised last week. It's unclear at this point if the suspected terrorists targeted a particular candidate.

Damn, had the terrorist attack actually happened it would have been a game changer. Difficult to say who'd benefit, but I guess it'd help Le Pen and hurt Macron.

Something like that happened here in 04 and it changed the polls by around 9 points. (prediction was PP+4 result was PSOE+5 or so)