2017 French Presidential Election

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Rise Melechon, anyone but Macron, Fillon and LePen please!

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lol, Fillon's big education idea is school uniforms.

As if bandit needed more reason to hate him.

A broken clock is right twice a day, such a glorious policy.

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If Hamon has no chance to make it, probably would support Melechon. Really liked him in the debate, and his policies.

 Melechon seemed to ignore, the immigration issue, while Hamon and Marcon were more supportive of immigration. Melechon seemed to be more about stopping wars, that promote migration,and his campaigned seems to be more focused on that, as well as opposing free trade deals, so that they can stay in their country.

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By the way, will PS just stay aside and endorse Macron in 2022 if he seeks re-election by that moment?

If Macron is elected I don't think that PS will still be a thing by 2022.

This. There will be some recomposition between 3 poles: the left (Mélenchon/Hamon electorate) , the center (around Macron) and the far right (Fillon/Le Pen)

Is Fillon really in the same category as Le Pen? By now he has become a complete joke but ideologically I wouldn't put him in the same category as Le Pen. He is very right-wing on immigration and social issues but I'm not sure whether that really makes him far-right. I'd only use that term for people like Trump, Wilders and Le Pen.

And very right wing on economics.

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By the way, will PS just stay aside and endorse Macron in 2022 if he seeks re-election by that moment?

If Macron is elected I don't think that PS will still be a thing by 2022.

This. There will be some recomposition between 3 poles: the left (Mélenchon/Hamon electorate) , the center (around Macron) and the far right (Fillon/Le Pen)

Melencon/Hamon is far left if Fillon is far right. Melenchon is almost as left wing as Le Pen is right wing, and Hamon is just as left wing as Fillon was right wing pre-Penelopegate.

lol.

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Hamon a little bit desperate tonight: endorsements of Macron are "stabs in the back", "I'm told an execution next week with Valls' endorsement of Macron". He won't dropout in favor of Mélenchon because he "will be in the second round"

Wow, that's FilLOL levels of paranoia and delusions

He's absolutely correct. Valls broke the pledge he signed when he participated in the primary. He is a liar, plain and simple.

This ^. I hope melechon and hamon merge, and Valls and shi!ts like them can join Marcron.

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Reading this forum you'd think Mélenchon was going to resurrect the Soviet Union.

Jean-Luc Mélenchon is an old-style Republican Socialist. Think Jean Jaurès and Léon Blum.
He is not communist by any standard, nor do he want to start chopping heads off, or seize the means of production, or start a planned economy without property rights... And he also doesn't want to isolate France from the rest of the world, he just want to renegotiate the European treaties.

Somebody who praises people like Robespierre and supported great "Socialist" figures such as Chavez and Castro, as well as "anti-imperialist" figures like Ahmedinijad, does give people the right to be criitical.

What exactly did he say? There is something good to praise about everyone but the devil is in the details. I am sure he didn't say I support Castro's dictatorship etc! Links?

http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/video/2016/10/10/ce-que-jean-luc-melenchon-aurait-fait-face-a-robespierre_5011125_823448.html

Here's a program where he tries his best to be an apologist of Robespierre, and he is also quoted as saying his old Parti de Gauche was the spiritual successor of the movement.

http://www.humanite.fr/melenchon-chavez-cest-lideal-inepuisable-de-lesperance-humaniste-de-la-revolution

Chavez was an "Indefatigable idea of humanist hope"

http://www.bfmtv.com/politique/mort-de-fidel-castro-l-hommage-de-jean-luc-melenchon-rassemble-200-personnes-a-paris-1063941.html

Pays tribute in wonderful terms to Castro.

I'll get the ONPC when he talks about Ahamdenijad later. He definitely cosied up to the anti-imp movement that basically think the US is the source of all problems in the world. As evidence by his stance on Syria and his cosying up to Putin.

Robespierre was a great socialist, so that's nice, and Castro's done a lot to get his country rid of the US banna state, and improved living standards a lot and has one of the highest social developments in  Latin America, albeit the dictatorship is horrible, and that country needs to move towards being a democracy. 

What's his stance in syria, that we shouldn't bomb and air strike Syriaa?

Ahamdenijad, what did he say was good about him before before?

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Reading this forum you'd think Mélenchon was going to resurrect the Soviet Union.

Jean-Luc Mélenchon is an old-style Republican Socialist. Think Jean Jaurès and Léon Blum.
He is not communist by any standard, nor do he want to start chopping heads off, or seize the means of production, or start a planned economy without property rights... And he also doesn't want to isolate France from the rest of the world, he just want to renegotiate the European treaties.

Somebody who praises people like Robespierre and supported great "Socialist" figures such as Chavez and Castro, as well as "anti-imperialist" figures like Ahmedinijad, does give people the right to be criitical.

What exactly did he say? There is something good to praise about everyone but the devil is in the details. I am sure he didn't say I support Castro's dictatorship etc! Links?

http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/video/2016/10/10/ce-que-jean-luc-melenchon-aurait-fait-face-a-robespierre_5011125_823448.html

Here's a program where he tries his best to be an apologist of Robespierre, and he is also quoted as saying his old Parti de Gauche was the spiritual successor of the movement.

http://www.humanite.fr/melenchon-chavez-cest-lideal-inepuisable-de-lesperance-humaniste-de-la-revolution

Chavez was an "Indefatigable idea of humanist hope"

http://www.bfmtv.com/politique/mort-de-fidel-castro-l-hommage-de-jean-luc-melenchon-rassemble-200-personnes-a-paris-1063941.html

Pays tribute in wonderful terms to Castro.

I'll get the ONPC when he talks about Ahamdenijad later. He definitely cosied up to the anti-imp movement that basically think the US is the source of all problems in the world. As evidence by his stance on Syria and his cosying up to Putin.

Robespierre was a great socialist, so that's nice, and Castro's done a lot to get his country rid of the US banna state, and improved living standards a lot and has one of the highest social developments in  Latin America, albeit the dictatorship is horrible, and that country needs to move towards being a democracy. 

What's his stance in syria, that we shouldn't bomb and air strike Syriaa?

Ahamdenijad, what did he say was good about him before before?

The point is that when his sympathisers say "muh he's not a communist", not only are they being patronising (we can all read Méluche's economic program, he is not a M-L), they are also ignoring the deeper issue that Mélenchon's foreign policy seems to be a relic of Cold War binary geopolitics, replacing Capitalism vs Communism with Western Imperialism vs Anti-Imperialism. The result is a ridiculously desperate attempt to justify any senseless, authoritarian tinpot regime that pisses off Uncle Sam, and the belief that eliminating American hegemony in Europe relies on cosying up to Russia. I wonder how Mélenchon's puff speeches over Russia in the European Parliament go down with his supporters on here?

Tirnam has already showed what his stance on Syria is : Pro-Assad, pro Russia Anti-US. He even said Putin was going to "sort out" Syria on ONPC. The same black-white world his supporters love to be nostalgic of.

Where does Melechon support Ahamdenijad?

What does pro-assad mean, not going into war against assad? Is that what is meant by defending authoritarianism?

What did Melechon mean when he said Russia was going to sort out Syria, that they can interfere in Sryia to fight ISIS (exactly what is wrong with this...)

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Antono: Would you consider voting for Melenchon, if he continues to poll around 3rd, to maybe have a leftist in the seccobd round.

I think any leftist should vote, for the left-wing candidate most likely to make the runoff, before that would mean supporting Harmon, now Melenchon.

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F**k strategic voting.

Didn't you lambast voters for voting for Stein, or at least told people, to vote for Clinton to defeat Sanders?

Would you say the same thing, if Hamon was in this position instead of Melenchon? I think before you were saying, that Melenchon voters should vote for Hamon, or am I wrong?

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I voted.

You were for Hamon, yes?

Bien sûr.

How do you think your area will go?

Also how does Ivry-sur-Seine go, I have family that live there?