2017 French Presidential Election

[ApatheticAustrian]

without a major scandal, it would be a polling mistake MUCH bigger than brexit/trump if macron wouldn't make it to the second round at this point.

[ApatheticAustrian]

is melenchon able to swallow some FN voters too?

[ApatheticAustrian]

this is all quite hypothetical since all of us know, melenchon isn't going to win.

he and hamon block one another from relevance.

only important question would be, if you want to prevent a fascist from ruling...or view a corrupt-far-right thatcherist and a maybe overhyped social-liberal germanophile as equally evil.

[ApatheticAustrian]

freedom magazine once again.

since they kind of single-handedly destroyed fillon...do we know/guess who loaded that pistol?

[ApatheticAustrian]

if beautiful flawless macron isn't in the top 2 after the first round, brexit and trump polling errors are going to look like a tiny rounding errors.

[ApatheticAustrian]

like i said,......only biggest polling error since a looooong time could save fillon.

nr 1 or 2 in the first round is only an ego-booster

[ApatheticAustrian]

more importantly....

the polls were only off a little bit with brexit and trump....

the french polls would need to be off A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT.

[ApatheticAustrian]

and ofc an euro-sceptic putin-fan.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Was De Gaulle a eurosceptic?

besides that my comment was meant tongue-in-cheek, i usually dislike judging politicans (and literally anyone), who lived half a century or more earlier by our current standards.

to be more fair: let's say i distrust people who are too willing to improve their own positions and too willing to crawl in front of putin.

[ApatheticAustrian]

at this point he just craves for attention, eh?

[ApatheticAustrian]

if the german media is correct, macron is at this point trying to DECREASE the number of socialist endorsements for his candidacy.

[ApatheticAustrian]

macron not being in the top 2 would need to be the biggest polling error since....does anyone know?

[ApatheticAustrian]

holy melenchon, lol@fillon.

[ApatheticAustrian]

melenchon and hamon voters are honorable....and fillon voters seem to dislike gaullism/republicanism...how ironic.

[ApatheticAustrian]

God I hate France. They get their first decent left-wing candidate in 15 years and they treat him worse than they treated the previous one...

you should think positive, in other countries, after 5 years of someone like hollande, the "left" would be in an even worse shape. i wonder if - by some accident or some other reason - melenchon would have dropped out or declined to run, his voters would have chosen hamon.

[ApatheticAustrian]

God I hate France. They get their first decent left-wing candidate in 15 years and they treat him worse than they treated the previous one...

Who are you talking about in both cases?

I understand Antonio's frustration about Hamon's predicament.

It's a year of truth, with a real right-winger as LR candidate and a real left-winger as PS candidate.

[ApatheticAustrian]

God I hate France. They get their first decent left-wing candidate in 15 years and they treat him worse than they treated the previous one...

Right guy at the wrong time sadly. At least the left wing occasionally wins in France, I can only dream...

well to be fair, it is close to impossible to really "win" an election in your country and even if it should happen, the people must still support each and every reform.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Macron just radiates Hillary Clinton vibes to me. 

on the contrary.

valls would have been much more like hillary, with the difference, that he seems to be much more principled and there aren't enough push-forces behind him in france, to get him into round 2.

macron is a charismatic outsider and a new force, while le pen is politically old and her ideas and her presence are rusty and well-known.

[ApatheticAustrian]

especially since fillon is FAAAAAAAR more right-wing on economical issues and also dragged LR to the right.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Just wondering:

Let's say that out of nowhere Mélenchon very narrowly edges out Macron and is to face Le Pen in the runoff.  Who would win?

all bets are off then, imho but i would guess le pen.

[ApatheticAustrian]

the "true left" ps candidate sounds most hawkish? interesting.

[ApatheticAustrian]

i am afraid of le pen - melenchon.

france must not go into isolation....

[ApatheticAustrian]

i would still vote melenchon over russian puppet nr1 but.....not feeling good about france.

[ApatheticAustrian]

ah, yeah, the Austrian position, popular for decades.

victims  - victims victims all around.

i wonder if the nazis would have been able to kill 1/10 of their real kill-counter without all those......victims.

[ApatheticAustrian]

i guess he always was at 20 but his voters were ashamed.