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Question: Who was the better President
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« on: March 19, 2017, 03:15:58 AM »

Nixon was better
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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2017, 04:07:01 AM »

I don't understand this forum's dislike for Wilson. He was a better president because he left his country better than he found it. However, Nixon was a better president than most people would rate him. Too bad that he was paranoia, because without Watergate and other illegal actions, he was a pretty good president.
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2017, 05:31:04 AM »

I don't understand this forum's dislike for Wilson.

Racism, mainly. Wilson's opponents in 1912 and 1916 were arguably less racist than him, so that's a relevant point of criticism.

I still voted for Wilson in this poll, although in contrast to the previous Washington/Lincoln and Jefferson/Roosevelt polls it was more of a lesser of two evils choice this time.
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2017, 05:32:16 AM »
« Edited: March 19, 2017, 06:30:26 AM by Intell »

I don't understand this forum's dislike for Wilson. He was a better president because he left his country better than he found it. However, Nixon was a better president than most people would rate him. Too bad that he was paranoia, because without Watergate and other illegal actions, he was a pretty good president.

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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2017, 08:45:51 AM »

Wilson had a decent first term, and a completely disastrous second term. I don't like him at all (not just for the racism, but that's a big part) but be is obviously better than Dick.
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2017, 11:26:54 AM »

President Johnson is the embodiment of that edgy left-wing magazine that talks about how [certain Republican] may actually be the choice for progressives.
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2017, 07:12:28 PM »

I guess Wilson, since my views on foreign policy could be considered Wilsonian, though Wilson himself was not necessarily always Wilsonian...
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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2017, 08:23:46 PM »

The one associated with liberal internationalism over the one associated with shameless amoral realism.
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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2017, 08:30:49 PM »

The one associated with liberal internationalism over the one associated with shameless amoral realism.

Nixon Foriegn policy wasn't much different then IKE's forign policy which other then Iran was a resounding success.
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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2017, 08:33:14 PM »

The one associated with liberal internationalism over the one associated with shameless amoral realism.

Nixon Foriegn policy wasn't much different then IKE's forign policy which other then Iran was a resounding success.

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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2017, 09:15:12 PM »

The one associated with liberal internationalism over the one associated with shameless amoral realism.

Nixon Foriegn policy wasn't much different then IKE's forign policy which other then Iran was a resounding success.

wtf

How was IKE foreign policy a failure .
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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2017, 09:17:24 PM »

The one associated with liberal internationalism over the one associated with shameless amoral realism.

Nixon Foriegn policy wasn't much different then IKE's forign policy which other then Iran was a resounding success.

wtf

How was IKE foreign policy a failure .

I tend to consider toppling democratically elected governments to replace them with authoritarian US puppets to be a bad thing, but that's just me.
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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2017, 09:22:17 PM »

The one associated with liberal internationalism over the one associated with shameless amoral realism.

Nixon Foriegn policy wasn't much different then IKE's forign policy which other then Iran was a resounding success.

wtf

How was IKE foreign policy a failure .

I tend to consider toppling democratically elected governments to replace them with authoritarian US puppets to be a bad thing, but that's just me.

I said other then Iran, and the rest of his actions were more justified as the ones he overthrew were soviet installed puppets.
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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2017, 09:25:26 PM »

The one associated with liberal internationalism over the one associated with shameless amoral realism.

Nixon Foriegn policy wasn't much different then IKE's forign policy which other then Iran was a resounding success.

wtf

How was IKE foreign policy a failure .

I tend to consider toppling democratically elected governments to replace them with authoritarian US puppets to be a bad thing, but that's just me.

I said other then Iran, and the rest of his actions were more justified as the ones he overthrew were soviet installed puppets.

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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2017, 01:36:46 PM »

I don't understand this forum's dislike for Wilson. He was a better president because he left his country better than he found it. However, Nixon was a better president than most people would rate him. Too bad that he was paranoia, because without Watergate and other illegal actions, he was a pretty good president.

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People tend to forget the good things Nixon actually accomplished. He governed as a liberal. Founded EPA, protection of environment in general, pro civil-rights and detente. I wish we had a Republican president like Tricky Dick again.

President Johnson is the embodiment of that edgy left-wing magazine that talks about how [certain Republican] may actually be the choice for progressives.

Which magazine and which Republican Huh Some Republicans of the past are indeed good choices for progressives.
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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2017, 02:08:24 PM »

I don't understand this forum's dislike for Wilson. He was a better president because he left his country better than he found it. However, Nixon was a better president than most people would rate him. Too bad that he was paranoia, because without Watergate and other illegal actions, he was a pretty good president.

No. Just No.

People tend to forget the good things Nixon actually accomplished. He governed as a liberal. Founded EPA, protection of environment in general, pro civil-rights and detente. I wish we had a Republican president like Tricky Dick again.

So our current President?
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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2017, 03:25:10 PM »

I don't understand this forum's dislike for Wilson. He was a better president because he left his country better than he found it. However, Nixon was a better president than most people would rate him. Too bad that he was paranoia, because without Watergate and other illegal actions, he was a pretty good president.

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People tend to forget the good things Nixon actually accomplished. He governed as a liberal. Founded EPA, protection of environment in general, pro civil-rights and detente. I wish we had a Republican president like Tricky Dick again.

So our current President?

LOL no. I mean on the political spectrum like Nixon. He was definitely not a staunch conservative and even liberal on several issues. I would prefer a pragmatic progressive Democrat of course, but a Republican like Nixon is better than Trump, Cruz or Rubio.
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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2017, 03:49:42 PM »

Nixon, 'cuz Wilson's 2nd term was really just that bad.
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« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2017, 05:42:54 PM »

I do admire both, but Wilson was the better President.
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« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2017, 06:35:34 PM »

The one who didn't put Eugene V. Debs in federal prison.

I mean... How many fair weather (lol) revolutionaries did Nixon send to jail?
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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2017, 06:56:28 PM »

The one who didn't put Eugene V. Debs in federal prison.

I mean... How many fair weather (lol) revolutionaries did Nixon send to jail?
I don't like to use the phrase "useful idiot," but most of the violent sixties radicals qualify. If I were exposed too heavily to someone like Abbie Hoffman, I'd probably support Nixon too.

More than fair enough.
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« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2017, 06:35:02 AM »


Am I the only one who remembers when President Johnson loved Trump? Wink
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« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2017, 06:38:03 AM »

Yes. I wonder if he still supports Scott Walker as well. (I don't know why an SPD member would endorse a man whose only major political belief is that union members should be set on fire, but such is atlas).
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« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2017, 08:55:01 AM »

Yes. I wonder if he still supports Scott Walker as well. (I don't know why an SPD member would endorse a man whose only major political belief is that union members should be set on fire, but such is atlas).

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« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2017, 09:11:24 AM »

Nixon was the last great President prior to Obama (since Carter wasn't exactly a complete success). Wilson barely registers.
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