Neil Gorsuch: 'employers should ask women if they want children'

[JA]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/neil-gorsuch-latest-donald-trump-supreme-court-nominee-pick-women-children-manipulate-employers-a7639006.html

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I guess this is part of all that "winning" we heard so much about. Nothing like a SCOTUS nominee claiming there's some widespread, rampant abuse of maternity benefits by women that'd justify companies being able to ask (obviously for the purpose of discrimination in hiring) women if they intend to have children. I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting rather tired of all this winning and freedom.

EDIT: Gorsuch, during his confirmation hearing, clarified this issue and presented his side of the story. It seemed pretty convincing to me and believe the question was misinterpreted by the students since his real question pertained to an issue common among female lawyers, which include potentially having to lie about their intentions of getting pregnant so they can secure a new job. He was adamantly opposed to female lawyers having to answer such a question.

[RI]

This does happen quite a bit, but he probably didn't word it the best. I don't know if pre-screening is the best idea either. Maybe some sort of continuing employment clause in their contracts if you're worried about it?

[Devout Centrist]

If that's not sexist, I don't know what is. F**king come on.

[ApatheticAustrian]

that would be illegal over here...in fact a woman would be legally allowed to lie about it.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

If that's not sexist, I don't know what is. F**king come on.

[emailking]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting rather tired of all this winning and freedom.

Well he warned us that we'd win so much that we'd get sick of it.

[pbrower2a]

I remember seeing columns in which words as uttered by Communists were contrasted to what people in liberal democracies understood them to be. Such a word as "peace" typically means the absence of armed conflict, but in Commie-speak it meant the final defeat of capitalism. Patriotism to most people means aligning with one's country in international disputes; for a Commie it meant allegiance to the Communist cause in one's country. 'Freedom' to a Commie meant the elimination of capitalist exploitation.

When we don't have an overt lie with the current President we often have something loaded in meaning. President Trump can't get enough of the words "winner" and "loser". Ordinarily a winner is one who has achieved greatly or at least won some contest. For President Trump a "winner" is such because of inherent qualities or the luck of being born so rich that one could not spend oneself into ruin.  A loser is such because of his built-in character. Winners are to be praised just for being 'winners'. 'Losers' have and deserve no chance in President Trump's America.     

[JerryArkansas]

The party that cares about women ladies and gentlemen, potentially not hiring them because they want children.

[afleitch]

I think they should too. But where I differ is that employers should do everything they can to accommodate their needs. Same with expectant fathers.

[Virginiá]

When is America going to accept that having children is one of the most fundamental parts of being human, and obviously necessary for our survival as a species? Society should be structured around this. Instead, we have a society where many people need to worry about their financial well-being and job security if they decide to have kids.

[afleitch]

When is America going to accept that having children is one of the most fundamental parts of being human, and obviously necessary for our survival as a species? Society should be structured around this. Instead, we have a society where many people need to worry about their financial well-being and job security if they decide to have kids.

Best not to be born. Before then the right wing care about you. Afterwards you and your parent/s are nothing but an economic inconvenience.

[DrScholl]

Look up Hunter Tylo and find out why these sort of questions can lead employers to a whole lot of trouble

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Tylo#Lawsuit

[pbrower2a]

People can change their minds. The more optimistic people get about their lives, the more likely they are to have children.

[Anna Komnene]

Gotta watch out for those sneaky womenz.  Always planning to manipulate companies to leech off of that amazing unpaid leave benefits.  It's not like someone could realize they want to spend more time with their newborn child after having it right?

When is America going to accept that having children is one of the most fundamental parts of being human, and obviously necessary for our survival as a species? Society should be structured around this. Instead, we have a society where many people need to worry about their financial well-being and job security if they decide to have kids.

Ouch.    Agreed on importance of family and paid leave though.

[Associate Justice PiT]

that would be illegal over here...in fact a woman would be legally allowed to lie about it.

     I'm surprised nobody has brought it up yet, but it's also illegal to ask that question in the United States.

[GlobeSoc]

Easy way to destroy the fertility rate

[RI]

that would be illegal over here...in fact a woman would be legally allowed to lie about it.

     I'm surprised nobody has brought it up yet, but it's also illegal to ask that question in the United States.

Hence why it's taken advantage of. My wife works in my university's HR department, and this exact scenario happens a couple times a year at least. And before anyone else cries "sexism," I have 100% confidence that many men would do the same if they had equal access to parental leave.

There are some quite flawed incentives the way things are set up right now. Parental leave is very important, but there needs to be some mechanisms in place to prevent or at least heavily disincentivize this type of behavior.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Easy way to destroy the fertility rate

Would be some silver lining imo

[Meclazine for Israel]

Really depends on the size of the business and the length of service.

If the terms of the agreement for employment allow for pregnancy and maternal leave after a certain period of time, then so be it.

If the terms of the contract for work agreement don't allow for maternal leave, then asking that question is prudent.

Trust me, employment agreements are fairly non-romantic in comparison to the contents of this thread.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Gorsuch skillfully crushed this claim when Durbin asked it.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Easy way to destroy the fertility rate

Would be some silver lining imo

Yes indeed for all the talk of a "Culture of Life" and "Someone Else's Babies", Republicans sure do make it difficult to have and raise children.

[Kingpoleon]

When is America going to accept that having children is one of the most fundamental parts of being human, and obviously necessary for our survival as a species? Society should be structured around this. Instead, we have a society where many people need to worry about their financial well-being and job security if they decide to have kids.

Please read the revised OP...

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Easy way to destroy the fertility rate

Would be some silver lining imo

Yes indeed for all the talk of a "Culture of Life" and "Someone Else's Babies", Republicans sure do make it difficult to have and raise children.

The Republicans are pro-pregnancy, nothing more.

[Virginiá]

Please read the revised OP...

I did, but my message is still pertinent speaking about America's views on this subject overall. Childbirth, sickness and other family emergencies are still mostly treated as nothing but a blight upon business that must be snuffed out at all costs among many companies.

In a way, it says a lot about this country.