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« Reply #125 on: March 23, 2017, 12:08:22 AM »
Meadows is truly embarrassing - it looks like the Freedom Caucus is going to cave.
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« Reply #126 on: March 23, 2017, 12:09:38 AM »
Norm Ornstein & Eric Boehlert sum things up pretty well:

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« Reply #127 on: March 23, 2017, 12:18:24 AM »
Quote from: Maxwell on March 23, 2017, 12:08:22 AM
Meadows is truly embarrassing - it looks like the Freedom Caucus is going to cave.

They Tea Party Republicans have always come to heel when their corporate paymasters whistled.
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« Reply #128 on: March 23, 2017, 01:20:22 AM »
Thomas Massie, at least, is still a no.
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« Reply #129 on: March 23, 2017, 04:42:42 AM »
It's pretty funny how the Left is celebrating the Freedom Caucus/Tea Party. They are (maybe) stopping the AHCA because it's not going far enough. What do you think how the next GOP bill will look like. A Little hint: It will be way less centrist. But logic and thinking isn't the strength of Leftists as we all know :-D
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« Reply #130 on: March 23, 2017, 05:46:41 AM »
Quote from: Klartext89 on March 23, 2017, 04:42:42 AM
It's pretty funny how the Left is celebrating the Freedom Caucus/Tea Party. They are (maybe) stopping the AHCA because it's not going far enough. What do you think how the next GOP bill will look like. A Little hint: It will be way less centrist. But logic and thinking isn't the strength of Leftists as we all know :-D

Imo the further to the right that this bill gets dragged by the Freedom Caucus, the less likely that the Senate will vote for it.
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« Reply #131 on: March 23, 2017, 06:11:57 AM »
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Quote from: Klartext89 on March 23, 2017, 04:42:42 AM
It's pretty funny how the Left is celebrating the Freedom Caucus/Tea Party. They are (maybe) stopping the AHCA because it's not going far enough. What do you think how the next GOP bill will look like. A Little hint: It will be way less centrist. But logic and thinking isn't the strength of Leftists as we all know :-D

Imo the further to the right that this bill gets dragged by the Freedom Caucus, the less likely that the Senate will vote for it.

Yes that's the important thing.  It would also be a great hammer to hit republicans with, if their leadership and "moderate" members are forced to vote for whatever demented monstrosity they come up with.

Remember, the HFC are still shell-shocked by 2016. They still haven't quite accepted that their base have literally no interest in their randian idealogy or small government theory or whatever, and they probably never will. They are willing to sacrifice everything - their president, their congressional majority, their party - to satisfy their idealogy; and Trump and Ryan are both unable to stand up to them.
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« Reply #132 on: March 23, 2017, 07:28:32 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/22/upshot/health-care-vote-whip-count-comparison.html

The Upshot has compiled 8 different whip counts into a single chart. All 8 still have the more than 23 nos.
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« Reply #133 on: March 23, 2017, 07:49:55 AM »
Quote from: Virginia on March 22, 2017, 09:45:09 PM
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Seriously I looked it up this new offer is pre-existing converge gone and insurance companies can cover as little as they want

How though? Wouldn't that take 60 votes?

Magical thinking that a new interpretation of the Byrd Rule would give the green light to this change.
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« Reply #134 on: March 23, 2017, 07:58:48 AM »
"GOP rep texts that leadership just canceled a 9am conference meeting and says that 'tells me it's panic time.'"

https://twitter.com/elianayjohnson/status/844892819085021186
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« Reply #135 on: March 23, 2017, 08:35:05 AM »
https://twitter.com/BresPolitico/status/844891734840672256

"Top House Republican predicts they the American Health Care Act today with 216 votes (they need 215.) So that's that!"
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« Reply #136 on: March 23, 2017, 08:38:32 AM »
« Edited: March 23, 2017, 08:43:19 AM by Klartext89 »
Steve Kornacki:

"Dems entered the day of the vote on Clinton's '93 budget 11 votes short - power of presidency/party leadership turned it into a 218-216 win"

https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/844901869776457728

"And in '03, Republicans were short *during* the prescription drug vote, then held it open, twisted arms and won 220-215"

https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/844902403208040448

"On the flip-side there was the 1990 tax deal, when Gingrich R's revolted against Bush WH/GOP leadership and derailed it (w/ Dem help)"

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« Reply #137 on: March 23, 2017, 08:47:20 AM »
My prediction is that this thing either fails catastrophically or passes by a hair. It doesn’t seem like there’s much room for any other possibility.
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« Reply #138 on: March 23, 2017, 08:57:05 AM »
The hilarious part is if this passes it will fail in the senate
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« Reply #139 on: March 23, 2017, 08:58:34 AM »
Jaime Herrera Beutler is also a no...

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« Reply #140 on: March 23, 2017, 09:07:47 AM »

Another no vote from the middle. Pushing it to the right is causing them to lose folks from the middle.
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« Reply #141 on: March 23, 2017, 09:23:07 AM »
Quote from: Klartext89 on March 23, 2017, 08:35:05 AM
https://twitter.com/BresPolitico/status/844891734840672256

"Top House Republican predicts they the American Health Care Act today with 216 votes (they need 215.) So that's that!"

"Legislator predicts hair's-breadth victory in upcoming election".... how does that usually turn out?
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« Reply #142 on: March 23, 2017, 09:30:49 AM »
« Edited: March 23, 2017, 09:35:08 AM by Damar »

He's not on any of the lists from the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/22/upshot/health-care-vote-whip-count-comparison.html?_r=0

So add 1 more to all the numbers.
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« Reply #143 on: March 23, 2017, 09:38:39 AM »
« Edited: March 23, 2017, 09:42:37 AM by Chairman (with limited role) of the 2020 Trump campaign »
The Hill's whip list has Beutler included. Now at 29 firm no votes and 6 lean/likely no votes there.
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« Reply #144 on: March 23, 2017, 09:41:13 AM »
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« Reply #145 on: March 23, 2017, 09:57:46 AM »

She. Beutler is a woman.
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« Reply #146 on: March 23, 2017, 09:58:03 AM »
Quote from: Brittain33 on March 23, 2017, 09:23:07 AM
Quote from: Klartext89 on March 23, 2017, 08:35:05 AM
https://twitter.com/BresPolitico/status/844891734840672256

"Top House Republican predicts they the American Health Care Act today with 216 votes (they need 215.) So that's that!"

"Legislator predicts hair's-breadth victory in upcoming election".... how does that usually turn out?

Exactly as predicted in this situation.
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« Reply #147 on: March 23, 2017, 11:06:28 AM »
As it stands now, Trump and Ryan tried to throw the Freedom Caucus a few bones to win them over for AHCA, which causes moderate Republicans to defect to the "no" camp now. I guess this is what "between a rock and a hard place" means. Tongue


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« Reply #148 on: March 23, 2017, 11:09:17 AM »
could still go through...but wouldn't be victory.
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« Reply #149 on: March 23, 2017, 12:04:41 PM »
Just saw on CNN that their whip count still has 29 solid and lean no's.
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