AHCA Whip Count

[emailking]

I have a question: If a vote is held and midway through it becomes clear it won't pass, is it possible for Ryan to suspend voting and continue negotiating with the people he thought would be on his side, or does the bill have to fail before they can renegotiate it?

He could negotiate with them on other things while holding the vote open. But I don't think he can cancel the vote when it's in progress. He'd have to let it go at least 15 minutes but as soon as the vote closes, that's the final count.

[CatoMinor]

The Kochs are saying they'll find GOPers who vote no. FFs

[Holmes]

The Kochs are saying they'll find GOPers who vote no. FFs

Spoilers: they were going to find Republicans anyway.

[Klartext89]

Rofl, left excitement because of a NY Times story. Some will never learn... #FakeNews

Very clever done by Trump: Negotiate, make concessions, changes and make clear that either THAT will become law or nothing will change and Obamacare will stay in place.

The people see that it's not the Presidents fault but the Congress fault and a lot of GOP voters will be furious with their Representatives but not with him.

Indeed, very clever.

What still is embarrassing is the amount of ill-preparation by the GOP Leadership. Talking for 7 years but not capable of making a bill that gets broad support. Ryan has to go, what a clown.

[EnglishPete]

Rofl, left excitement because of a NY Times story. Some will never learn... #FakeNews

Very clever done by Trump: Negotiate, make concessions, changes and make clear that either THAT will become law or nothing will change and Obamacare will stay in place.

The people see that it's not the Presidents fault but the Congress fault and a lot of GOP voters will be furious with their Representatives but not with him.

Indeed, very clever.

What still is embarrassing is the amount of ill-preparation by the GOP Leadership. Talking for 7 years but not capable of making a bill that gets broad support. Ryan has to go, what a clown.

If sanctimonious phony Paul Ryan goes down for this that's an excellent result. No one has forgotten his intellectually fake Ayn Rand libertarianism disguising his blatant hackery, his long standing support for open borders, his "I'm not quite there yet" during the election.

Paul Ryan sucks.

[Klartext89]

Rofl, left excitement because of a NY Times story. Some will never learn... #FakeNews

Very clever done by Trump: Negotiate, make concessions, changes and make clear that either THAT will become law or nothing will change and Obamacare will stay in place.

The people see that it's not the Presidents fault but the Congress fault and a lot of GOP voters will be furious with their Representatives but not with him.

Indeed, very clever.

What still is embarrassing is the amount of ill-preparation by the GOP Leadership. Talking for 7 years but not capable of making a bill that gets broad support. Ryan has to go, what a clown.

If sanctimonious phony Paul Ryan goes down for this that's an excellent result. No one has forgotten his intellectually fake Ayn Rand libertarianism disguising his blatant hackery, his long standing support for open borders, his "I'm not quite there yet" during the election.

Paul Ryan sucks.

We agree on that, want to say that despite being very angry about you in the McCain/Russia thread I appreciate your posts and opinions elsewhere.

[The_Doctor]

Ironically Paul Ryan is a more orthodox conservative than Donald Trump. The Republican Party is a neoliberal libertarian party at heart and is fundamentally anti-populist. The AHCA, as bad as it is, reflects that fundamental Republican ideology. The problem with the AHCA isn't the ideological thrust. It's the fact that it executes neoliberalist limited government principles badly.

Paul Ryan isn't wrong that we need to reform Medicare.  In fact that's one reason I voted for Mitt Romney. The 2012 Republican ticket recognized our safety net needs either major reforms or higher taxes to finance it. Obama demagogued the issue but Romney recognized the reality. And in 2016 we chose to join the Democrats in brushing the issue under the rug.

The problem is that the populists want a Republican Party that simply does not exist in meaningful numbers. The Populists want to basically see a big government Republican Party that accepts the flawed New Deal and Great Society while executing a hard right on immigration and border security.

(P.S. Ryan for president)

[Ebsy]

Some of the responses in this thread really are unbelievable.

[Klartext89]

Just watching the House Rules Committee and research the Rep asking questions at the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcee_Hastings

"Alcee Lamar Hastings /ˈælsiː/ (born September 5, 1936) is the U.S. Representative for Florida's 20th congressional district, serving in Congress since 1993. The district, numbered as the 23rd District from 1993 to 2013, includes most of the majority-black precincts in and around Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach. He is a member of the Democratic Party. He served as a judge on the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida from 1979, until his impeachment and removal from that post in 1989."

Unbelieveable...

[Middle-aged Europe]

"Hell no" Republican Thomas Massie seems to be a bit pissed about pressure from the White House as he twitters:

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[7,052,770]

So is the vote still happening in 15 minutes?

[Hindsight was 2020]

Mo Brooks is a no https://mobile.twitter.com/EamonJavers/status/845245537209212929

[mvd10]

It's a shame the Republicans are wasting their time on this. They could have focused on reforming medicare/social security instead. Or they could actually make healthcare more affordable by completely getting rid of tax breaks for employer-provided coverage and providing refundable tax credits with the raised revenue.

[emailking]

Just watching the House Rules Committee and research the Rep asking questions at the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcee_Hastings

"Alcee Lamar Hastings /ˈælsiː/ (born September 5, 1936) is the U.S. Representative for Florida's 20th congressional district, serving in Congress since 1993. The district, numbered as the 23rd District from 1993 to 2013, includes most of the majority-black precincts in and around Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach. He is a member of the Democratic Party. He served as a judge on the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida from 1979, until his impeachment and removal from that post in 1989."

Unbelieveable...

The people elected him. Just like they elected someone who bragged on tape about grabbing women's genitalia. That's democracy.

[The Other Castro]

Timing of the actual voting itself should be around 4-5 PM as of right now.

[Gass3268]

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[Middle-aged Europe]

Timing of the actual voting itself should be around 4-5 PM as of right now.

CNN.com posted 15 minutes ago that the vote is to be expected around 5:00 or 6:00 p.m.

[Gass3268]

Ron Blum and Ted Budd are both still no

[ApatheticAustrian]

gee, i wonder, how would they know?

[Wiz in Wis]

Timing of the actual voting itself should be around 4-5 PM as of right now.

CNN.com posted 15 minutes ago that the vote is to be expected around 5:00 or 6:00 p.m.

Ryan and co. trying to keep market impact as minimal as possible. They aren't that confident.

[Beet]

Incidentally, this article appears at the top of RealClearPolitics' 'Most Read in Last 7 Days' list:

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/03/22/the-democrats-ditch-is-only-getting-deeper

[Hindsight was 2020]

Incidentally, this article appears at the top of RealClearPolitics' 'Most Read in Last 7 Days' list:

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/03/22/the-democrats-ditch-is-only-getting-deeper

XD

[Gass3268]

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[The Dowager Mod]

Politics1.com @Politics1com
Cong Mark Sanford (R-SC) announced he has switched from YES to NO on AHCA vote today.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Politics1.com @Politics1com
Cong Mark Sanford (R-SC) announced he has switched from YES to NO on AHCA vote today.

That's it the bill is dead