AHCA Whip Count

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This thing will end up passing in the end with a deal here n there & a few days of delay. Trump doesn't like being a loser - With a supermajority if he can't pass it, then he never can.

And anyone who things that these tea party lunatics have a backbone are mistaken. Ted Cruz bent the knee & was campaigning for the man who called his father the killer of JFK, his wife ugly & frequently called Lyin' Ted. Mitt Romney was like Trump's b*tch to play with after the elections. They will cave in later with some concessions !

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Because repealing without replacement will likely cause a collapse of the insurance market - Do you want another recession/bailout? The transition/change will be too huge without atleast a phase out mode which is what this replacement is - It is phasing out most of ACA things !

You will have people coming to the streets, all those pre-existing people left to die.And ofcourse it will mean Trump & the entire Republican leadership is a flat out lier as Trump repeatedly promised to take care of people & simultaneously replace.

If they go with only replace, it will be a bigger landslide in 2018 & Trump will lose in 2020 - All those deaths will be pinned on him turning back of his word (lying on replacement)  - He can't pass a plan without even a Super-majority!

And moderate & any sensible Republicans wouldn't even repeal it without replacing !

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This thing will end up passing in the end with a deal here n there & a few days of delay. Trump doesn't like being a loser - With a supermajority if he can't pass it, then he never can.

Actually it's Paul Ryans bill, not Trumps. Of course - as always - the Trump/USA hating left-wing crew and the MSM (what is basically the same) will not care and only go after the President, but honestly why on earth did he trust in Ryan?!

I would say that they should take more time and get a bill that gets nearly all Reps on board and gets some Dem votes, but I'm simply shocked that they had 7 years and couldn't write a replacement bill... Simply shocking...

I'm also still very much amused about the Dems/Leftists on Twitter, Atlas etc. because they celebrate the Freedom Caucus and there's a big opportunity that at the end they will get a much more libertarian bill than Ryan proposed. But I guess you're still not tired of losing yet.

Ohh this is Trumpcare. This is 100% his bill - He approved this bill, studied it in detailed & pushed through with it. Where is the secret Healthcare bill of Trump? Maybe when he would run an entire campaign on it, he should have prepared his own bill like Hillary & Bernie did which was debated but he doesn't need to because the Republican base is insanely low information & gullible.

This bill wouldn't even be on the table if not for Trump - He could throw Ryan's bill on the garbage can but he chose to go ahead with it. Why blame poor Ryan when you have got Tea party lunatics trying to gut everything while most sensible moderates have to think about their people & winning elections again !

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all those pre-existing people left to die & everyone.

All those deaths will be pinned on him

OMG, WE WILL ALL DIE! This time it's not the climate, the dying of the wood, the ozone hole, nuclear energy or the 2nd Amendment, it's the AHCA! AAAAAAAAAH!

If you repeal fully without replacement (including repealing all mandates), it will be a cakewalk to find many people who died/couldn't afford/were denied insurance. The next CNN Townhall with Republicans will be with these people - Bankrupt with sky-rocketing costs (pre-existing condition) or family members of people who died.

This is if there is full repeal & no replacement !

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Time to write a new bill, there's plenty of time, take an Easter break and start over again. Better a good solution after a failed start than a bad solution causing problems in the Midterms.

Hopefully Trump ,instead of playing Golf & making stupid tweets & wasting 100's of M of $ in Security expense, does some work finally & creates a bill which will unite moderate somewhat sane Republicans & tea party lunatics.

I mean after this massive failure, he has to get it right the next time! If it fails again, how does he recover from that ?

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ACA will further cause monopolies & will substantially inflate costs & under another Dem President will cause severe electoral damage unless atleast a "Public option" is put in which will bring down costs.

Pelosi openly said in the press conference that a public option is just not possible & minor adjustments like funding for high risk polls, prescription drug costs, etc will Dems proposed solutions.

This is not going to contain costs & if the costs explode then it could sink a Dem presidency from 2020 !

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This looks bad right now, but in reality republicans probably saved themselves from a 2018 shellacking by not passing this utterly terrible bill.

By pissing off their own base with keeping the mandate for two more years? This was a lose-lose situation in my opinion.

You are forgetting that most voters don't know anything and those that do only care for 5 minutes. Two years from now nobody will be voting on the basis of the GOP failing to repeal Obamacare, but a lot of people would have voted against the GOP if they had gotten much worse health care, whoch would have been the resukt fir millions with this bill.

I don't see why you are so pessimistic, this is going to be a disaster for the GOP. Anytime you lose fighting for healthcare bad things happen.

It is not a disaster. Passing the bill would have been a disaster for 2018/2020. This is a major failure & embarrassment which many people will forget in the long run. Ofcourse his base won't like it (maybe some of them won't vote for him) & Trump may even be blamed for ACA price hikes now & will be looked as a failure as he couldn't get it past under a Republican Congress.

But regardless, Pelosi is like overjoyed & is embarrassed to even ask for a Public option. None of them have any real plans to fix the ACA !

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Trump's not totally wrong though: The massive premium hikes are not going over well with the working class and it will depend on how effectively Republicans and Trump will tie this to the Democrats before the next elections. If Democrats don't find a proper message on their own they cannot simply rely on the Republicans to implode. They need to work for it and the best way to do so would be to find a bipartisan way to reign in the premium hikes. Otherwise it will really explode on the Democrats sooner or later because they are the architects of this ...

He was supposed to control it though, he was the president who was supposed to fix it & has a Super Majority in both houses. Dems really can't go with his Trumpcare. So he has to take MAJOR blame for this failure but as the Dems created ACA, they will also take "Some" blame for future price hikes.

I think it will set the stage for another crazy anti-establishment person (who will say Washington is broken, both parties don't want to get stuff done & are playing partisan politics with people). Pelosi is embarrassed to even ask for a public option, she probably doesn't even believe in it anymore. She said if she couldn't pass it with a Dem President & huge majorities, then they probably won't get it anytime in the near future.

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The other lesson to be drawn from this: the 44th president will have a more robust and durable legacy than the 45th president -- by far. The legacy of Barack Obama is now enshrined in law for all time until universal healthcare comes.

Obama's great gamble, his great game, paid off. We now know he was a far better strategist and had a more far reaching vision of the world. With Ryan's words that ObamaCare is here to stay the Republican Party has committed itself to preserving his legacy and worldview.

Stunning historical victory for Obama.

Obama's legacy is mixed. He left with strained race relations. It's probably too early to judge.

Nope. the healthcare law was his one hill. On it hinges so many things. He fought for the law knowing if it passed it opens the door to single payer. It opens the door to government regulation of the financial sector. It makes government actively involved in the delivery of a major economic good. The precedent is set. It's why he sacrificed Congress. Pelosi knows it too. She willingly fought for this moment.

Government now has an undisputed role in guaranteeing quality and accees of a good, namely healthcare. That precedent now means the next great Democratic coalition will be able to shoehorn their dreams on other issues. Namely...education and the financial system.

This is the hill of the next decade. And Obama just checkmated the Republican Party.

ACA was a lot better than nothing during Bush. Did he knew this was going to turn out this way & thought this was some grand plan? Nope - Obama has already said he never anticipated this high premiums & thought more people will be covered with the ACA, he thought it was a much better bill & close to Universal healthcare (& that Single Payer is not possible)!

It is difficult to get a better working right wing plan so you can technically only go left which is problematic for the GOP. If Obama was a such a visionary, why would he have created a system with such rampant monopolies & massive profits for the Insurance companies? Even with 60 Senators he couldn't put a public option thanks to people like Joe Lieberman.

There will probably never be a public option, forget Single payer - When will you ever get that kind of majority again - In 35 or 40 years? And even when they had it, they couldn't put a Public Option (when Obama campaigned on it & promised it).

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Trump is running a shadow campaign using Breitbart & some other people to throw Ryan under the bus. He is probably going to the fall guy here as Trump won't take any blame for this loss !