AHCA Whip Count

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It's pretty funny how the Left is celebrating the Freedom Caucus/Tea Party. They are (maybe) stopping the AHCA because it's not going far enough. What do you think how the next GOP bill will look like. A Little hint: It will be way less centrist. But logic and thinking isn't the strength of Leftists as we all know :-D

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https://twitter.com/BresPolitico/status/844891734840672256

"Top House Republican predicts they the American Health Care Act today with 216 votes (they need 215.) So that's that!"

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Steve Kornacki:

"Dems entered the day of the vote on Clinton's '93 budget 11 votes short - power of presidency/party leadership turned it into a 218-216 win"

https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/844901869776457728

"And in '03, Republicans were short *during* the prescription drug vote, then held it open, twisted arms and won 220-215"

https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/844902403208040448

"On the flip-side there was the 1990 tax deal, when Gingrich R's revolted against Bush WH/GOP leadership and derailed it (w/ Dem help)"

https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/844905691500417024

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This thing will end up passing in the end with a deal here n there & a few days of delay. Trump doesn't like being a loser - With a supermajority if he can't pass it, then he never can.

Actually it's Paul Ryans bill, not Trumps. Of course - as always - the Trump/USA hating left-wing crew and the MSM (what is basically the same) will not care and only go after the President, but honestly why on earth did he trust in Ryan?!

I would say that they should take more time and get a bill that gets nearly all Reps on board and gets some Dem votes, but I'm simply shocked that they had 7 years and couldn't write a replacement bill... Simply shocking...

I'm also still very much amused about the Dems/Leftists on Twitter, Atlas etc. because they celebrate the Freedom Caucus and there's a big opportunity that at the end they will get a much more libertarian bill than Ryan proposed. But I guess you're still not tired of losing yet.

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This thing will end up passing in the end with a deal here n there & a few days of delay. Trump doesn't like being a loser - With a supermajority if he can't pass it, then he never can.

Actually it's Paul Ryans bill, not Trumps. Of course - as always - the Trump/USA hating left-wing crew and the MSM (what is basically the same) will not care and only go after the President, but honestly why on earth did he trust in Ryan?!

I would say that they should take more time and get a bill that gets nearly all Reps on board and gets some Dem votes, but I'm simply shocked that they had 7 years and couldn't write a replacement bill... Simply shocking...

I'm also still very much amused about the Dems/Leftists on Twitter, Atlas etc. because they celebrate the Freedom Caucus and there's a big opportunity that at the end they will get a much more libertarian bill than Ryan proposed. But I guess you're still not tired of losing yet.

Trump says he 100% supports the bill and has not contradicted Ryan's claim that he helped write it.

Oh come on, is it your first year in politics?

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This is as much Trump's bill as it is Ryan's.

Yeah, because you want it to be that like you know that it is veeeeeeeeery bad (like you thought that Hillary Clinton was a veeeeeeery strong candidate) bill despite you've read a single word of it. But ok, that's how it works. Keep on.

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This thing will end up passing in the end with a deal here n there & a few days of delay. Trump doesn't like being a loser - With a supermajority if he can't pass it, then he never can.

Actually it's Paul Ryans bill, not Trumps. Of course - as always - the Trump/USA hating left-wing crew and the MSM (what is basically the same) will not care and only go after the President, but honestly why on earth did he trust in Ryan?!

I would say that they should take more time and get a bill that gets nearly all Reps on board and gets some Dem votes, but I'm simply shocked that they had 7 years and couldn't write a replacement bill... Simply shocking...

I'm also still very much amused about the Dems/Leftists on Twitter, Atlas etc. because they celebrate the Freedom Caucus and there's a big opportunity that at the end they will get a much more libertarian bill than Ryan proposed. But I guess you're still not tired of losing yet.

Any bill that gets the Freedom Caucus on board will bleed enough support from the middle to also kill it, either in the House or at least the Senate. It's happening right now already and no official concessions have been made yet.

Ok, that's a point. At least one serious Dem in this thread.

But the GOP knows that they have to deliver at least some kind of change and they still have plenty of time left. It's March/April 2017, Obama delivered his bill after 14 months.

My bet is on a deal being reached within the different GOP groups either over the weekend or at some point later in 2017.

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Let's just do what we are all on board with now- repeal Obamacare as we have done so many times in the past, once even getting it to Obama's desk.  Why not do what we are unified on now and worry about the replacement later?

Why can't you be the Speaker for gods sake?! Terrific idea, let's do it this way!

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Ironically, apparently full/straight repeal would leave MORE covered than this AHCA farce

Did you read the bill or is this the opinion (or "news") of a journalist having also not read it?

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all those pre-existing people left to die & everyone.

All those deaths will be pinned on him

OMG, WE WILL ALL DIE! This time it's not the climate, the dying of the wood, the ozone hole, nuclear energy or the 2nd Amendment, it's the AHCA! AAAAAAAAAH!

imagine - hypothetically - a german party would propose, the oldest and poorest retirees in east germany aren't paying enough for their healthcare costs and would lose coverage if not being able to step up their game.....

seems like a message for doom.

Yeah, that's what the media says. Hopefully there will be the day you research for your own and don't have to believe this crap.

But, to answer your question: As a 27 year old healthy guy, I would love to lose my expensive insurance. No great joy to pay for "refugees", people pretending to be sick or the generation which is against every reform on social security etc. helping my generation because they "paid for it" (it's a really difficult system to understand...). Not even mentioning that this generation is sceptical of left policies but constantly votes for the establishment parties implementing Kalkutta in Germany.

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all those pre-existing people left to die & everyone.

All those deaths will be pinned on him

OMG, WE WILL ALL DIE! This time it's not the climate, the dying of the wood, the ozone hole, nuclear energy or the 2nd Amendment, it's the AHCA! AAAAAAAAAH!

lol, I can tell someone's sweating bullets because of the Schulz train that has completely cucked the AfD.

Try harder, that only made me laugh. A 48% guy I guess.

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all those pre-existing people left to die & everyone.

All those deaths will be pinned on him

OMG, WE WILL ALL DIE! This time it's not the climate, the dying of the wood, the ozone hole, nuclear energy or the 2nd Amendment, it's the AHCA! AAAAAAAAAH!

lol, I can tell someone's sweating bullets because of the Schulz train that has completely cucked the AfD.

Try harder, that only made me laugh. A 48% guy I guess.

Grow up.

But hey, couldn't image Schulz could look even more dumb than usual. Maybe you should cry Martin now. Come on, cry Martin!

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Time to write a new bill, there's plenty of time, take an Easter break and start over again. Better a good solution after a failed start than a bad solution causing problems in the Midterms.

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Time to write a new bill, there's plenty of time, take an Easter break and start over again. Better a good solution after a failed start than a bad solution causing problems in the Midterms.

Hopefully Trump ,instead of playing Golf & making stupid tweets & wasting 100's of M of $ in Security expense, does some work finally & creates a bill which will unite moderate somewhat sane Republicans & tea party lunatics.

I mean after this massive failure, he has to get it right the next time! If it fails again, how does he recover from that ?

Yeah, he really should do it differently than Obama, I agree.

Results matter. In 2018 (and of course 2020) the people won't care whether they needed one, two or ten votes to get it. They will judge how it works for them.

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Rofl, left excitement because of a NY Times story. Some will never learn... #FakeNews

Very clever done by Trump: Negotiate, make concessions, changes and make clear that either THAT will become law or nothing will change and Obamacare will stay in place.

The people see that it's not the Presidents fault but the Congress fault and a lot of GOP voters will be furious with their Representatives but not with him.

Indeed, very clever.

What still is embarrassing is the amount of ill-preparation by the GOP Leadership. Talking for 7 years but not capable of making a bill that gets broad support. Ryan has to go, what a clown.

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Rofl, left excitement because of a NY Times story. Some will never learn... #FakeNews

Very clever done by Trump: Negotiate, make concessions, changes and make clear that either THAT will become law or nothing will change and Obamacare will stay in place.

The people see that it's not the Presidents fault but the Congress fault and a lot of GOP voters will be furious with their Representatives but not with him.

Indeed, very clever.

What still is embarrassing is the amount of ill-preparation by the GOP Leadership. Talking for 7 years but not capable of making a bill that gets broad support. Ryan has to go, what a clown.

If sanctimonious phony Paul Ryan goes down for this that's an excellent result. No one has forgotten his intellectually fake Ayn Rand libertarianism disguising his blatant hackery, his long standing support for open borders, his "I'm not quite there yet" during the election.

Paul Ryan sucks.

We agree on that, want to say that despite being very angry about you in the McCain/Russia thread I appreciate your posts and opinions elsewhere.

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Just watching the House Rules Committee and research the Rep asking questions at the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcee_Hastings

"Alcee Lamar Hastings /ˈælsiː/ (born September 5, 1936) is the U.S. Representative for Florida's 20th congressional district, serving in Congress since 1993. The district, numbered as the 23rd District from 1993 to 2013, includes most of the majority-black precincts in and around Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach. He is a member of the Democratic Party. He served as a judge on the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida from 1979, until his impeachment and removal from that post in 1989."

Unbelieveable...