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« on: March 22, 2017, 09:17:33 AM »

A sign of things to come? Truly a tragic story followed by a tragic betrayal.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2017/03/22/trump-supporters-obamacare-heroin-cohen-pkg-erin.cnn
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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2017, 09:31:48 AM »

you may ask why......wait for it.....he feels betrayed through AHCA.
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2017, 09:52:01 AM »

Meh... he had it coming.
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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2017, 10:59:41 AM »

I have a hard time finding any sympathy for these idiots.
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2017, 11:44:02 AM »

I have a hard time finding any sympathy for these idiots.

Yeah, we wouldn't want any of that pesky empathy interfering in our ability to gloat at other human beings' suffering, now would we? Empathy is only deserved by people who think the right way (i.e. empathy must be earned). Not because they're humans and, as such, are deserving of dignity or anything silly like that. I suppose if you can't achieve bipartisan agreement on something positive, you can at least achieve it through the bipartisan embrace of callousness and calls for personal responsibility. Tell me, how are your views, as stated here, any different in substance than Chaffetz's remarks about poor people needing to stop buying iPhones instead of healthcare?
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2017, 11:50:51 AM »

They supported him, they deserve the consequences.
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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2017, 11:57:06 AM »

They supported him, they deserve the consequences.

So then you admit that you believe empathy must be earned by doing/thinking the "right way" and that not all people, simply on the basis of them being humans, are deserving of certain basic necessities and dignity. Alrighty then, that tells me all I need to know.
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2017, 12:02:09 PM »

That milquetoast liberal empathy is why the republicans keep winning, They go in the gutter and were supposed to just get all touchy feely and feel bad instead of actually fighting back.
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2017, 12:06:23 PM »
« Edited: March 22, 2017, 12:08:51 PM by Delegate J_American »

That milquetoast liberal empathy is why the republicans keep winning, They go in the gutter and were supposed to just get all touchy feely and feel bad instead of actually fighting back.

So let's embrace right-wing, elitist callousness towards the suffering of others and browbeat them into somehow voting for the people who mock their suffering. Sounds about right. Good plan. I suppose fighting back by embracing social justice and ensuring dignity for all humans is just ridiculous. Silly me.
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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2017, 12:06:54 PM »

They supported him, they deserve the consequences.
But shouldn't they be seen akin to victims of fraudsters and deserve understanding instead? After all, they're needed to at least halt any further damage.
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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2017, 12:13:35 PM »
« Edited: March 22, 2017, 12:16:46 PM by Delegate J_American »

They supported him, they deserve the consequences.
But shouldn't they be seen akin to victims of fraudsters and deserve understanding instead? After all, they're needed to at least halt any further damage.

Nah, treating them like dogs*** on the bottom of your shoe is a far more socially just and effective political strategy. Like she said, the problem with Democrats is that they aren't Republican enough. Obviously, she and those who think like her (which is very common), want Democrats to compete with Republicans to see who can be more callous towards human suffering.
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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2017, 12:15:26 PM »

Elections have consequences.
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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2017, 12:29:34 PM »

     This reminds me of people talking about Leaver regret after Brexit passed. That narrative was overwrought too.
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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2017, 12:30:46 PM »

You can not just pat these people on the head and give them a time out, They need to experience the repercussions of their vote, They will never change otherwise.
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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2017, 12:59:30 PM »

You can not just pat these people on the head and give them a time out, They need to experience the repercussions of their vote, They will never change otherwise.

One way or another, this is how we all learn, from the consequences of our actions good or bad.
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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2017, 01:07:31 PM »

What tragedy?  He sounds like he's just upset about Medicaid cuts and thinks Trump lied (?) to him about not doing them.  I don't know where he lives, but if anything, he should probably be mad at his Governor for not approving the Medicaid expansion that might have helped his son.  Weird story. 
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2017, 01:10:01 PM »

     This reminds me of people talking about Leaver regret after Brexit passed. That narrative was overwrought too.

brexit hasn't even started to wreck the UK. Tongue
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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2017, 01:25:05 PM »

They supported him, they deserve the consequences.
But shouldn't they be seen akin to victims of fraudsters and deserve understanding instead? After all, they're needed to at least halt any further damage.

Nah, treating them like dogs*** on the bottom of your shoe is a far more socially just and effective political strategy. Like she said, the problem with Democrats is that they aren't Republican enough. Obviously, she and those who think like her (which is very common), want Democrats to compete with Republicans to see who can be more callous towards human suffering.

I agree with you that democrats should avoid callousness on moral grounds, but let us stop pretending that the majority of Trump voters care about being constantly insulted in the long run. If Trump can win Iowa after calling the majority of it's Republicans stupid there is no reason to suspect that it will harm democraits in any meaningful way.
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