Erdogan: Europeans won't walk the streets safely until they respect Turkey

[Blue3]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/erdogan-europeans_us_58d28aa7e4b0b22b0d18b361?

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Uh-huh... Erdogan being able to campaign for a powergrab in Europe = human rights /democracy.

Bad timing for this comment?

[Cory]

Erdogan is a dangerous lunatic and the EU should impose sanctions upon for his threatening behavior.

Turkey is not a real ally of the West and we should consider revoking their NATO membership. We should continue to increase arms shipments and other military aid to the YPG and covertly do whatever we can to sabotage Turkey's relations with Russia.

This has just utterly gotten out of hand.

[KingSweden]

Our esteemed NATO "ally"

[Green Line]

Turkey is not who we thought they were.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Turkey is not who we thought they were.

I feel vindicated for suspecting Erdogan will be a problem since he came to power.

[2952-0-0]

Erdogan is a dangerous lunatic and the EU should impose sanctions upon for his threatening behavior.

Turkey is not a real ally of the West and we should consider revoking their NATO membership. We should continue to increase arms shipments and other military aid to the YPG and covertly do whatever we can to sabotage Turkey's relations with Russia.

This has just utterly gotten out of hand.

"Let's f*k with our enemy by giving weapons and aid to the rebel group they're fighting" gave us Al Qaida.

The EU also needs to safeguard the refugee deal at all reasonable costs. We can't risk a repeat of the chaos of 2015.

Official sanctions aren't necessary anyway - European tourists are staying away in droves and leading Turkey into a deep recession.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Erdogan is a dangerous lunatic and the EU should impose sanctions upon for his threatening behavior.

Turkey is not a real ally of the West and we should consider revoking their NATO membership. We should continue to increase arms shipments and other military aid to the YPG and covertly do whatever we can to sabotage Turkey's relations with Russia.

This has just utterly gotten out of hand.

"Let's f*k with our enemy by giving weapons and aid to the rebel group they're fighting" gave us Al Qaida.

I've been always highly sceptical about ideas like this (putting this mildly), but I don't see a parallel between Al Qaeda and the YPG.

[DavidB.]

“If Europe continues this way, no European in any part of the world can walk safely on the streets. We, as Turkey, call on Europe to respect human rights and democracy,” Erdogan said at event for local journalists in Ankara.

The irony of these two sentences...

Such a shame the coup wasn't successful.

[ApatheticAustrian]

btw...

can someone here speak turkish well enough to confirm those sentences?

i have read them several times and this is by far the most despicable thing i have heard this year....

[Santander]

can someone here speak turkey well enough to confirm those sentences?

*gobble*

[ApatheticAustrian]

can someone here speak turkey well enough to confirm those sentences?

*gobble*

i love you! XD

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

“If Europe continues this way, no European in any part of the world can walk safely on the streets. We, as Turkey, call on Europe to respect human rights and democracy,” Erdogan said at event for local journalists in Ankara.

The irony of these two sentences...

Such a shame the coup wasn't successful.

So much changed since the days a bunch of junior officers could stage a coup and then hang the outset PM.

[Cory]

Such a shame the coup wasn't successful.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Such a shame the coup wasn't successful.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Such a shame the coup wasn't successful.

As much as it pains me... this.

[Green Line]

Sometimes I hate being right.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

Such a shame the coup wasn't successful.

Even coups against certifiably awful leaders can lead to even worse military juntas, my country's last military dictatorship is all the evidence you need

[Edu]

Such a shame the coup wasn't successful.

Even coups against certifiably awful leaders can lead to even worse military juntas, my country's last military dictatorship is all the evidence you need

Don't waste the energy on your typing fingers.

I tried to make this argument last time when the coup attempt was happening and was laughed out of the room.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Don't waste the energy on your typing fingers.

I tried to make this argument last time when the coup attempt was happening and was laughed out of the room.

your argument is valid -  since some time has passed since the failed coup i agree now. it's just that a slow-mo coup IS happening in turkey, day after day and the failed coup was just a good excuse to accelerate the speed and unveil their intentions. seems like a choice between a fast and a slow death.

[DavidB.]

With Erdogan you know for sure that Turkey is becoming an Islamic dictatorship. A Kemalist junta, from my point of view, is almost always preferrable and is most likely to be only temporary.

[Edu]

Don't waste the energy on your typing fingers.

I tried to make this argument last time when the coup attempt was happening and was laughed out of the room.

your argument is valid -  since some time has passed since the failed coup i agree now. it's just that a slow-mo coup IS happening in turkey, day after day and the failed coup was just a good excuse to accelerate the speed and unveil their intentions. seems like a choice between a fast and a slow death.

To be frank, I'm not really sure what is to be done (if anything at all). It's obviously a complicated situation and I doubt there is a "solution" that won't result in some form of human suffering.

It's just that it pains me to see such quick acceptance for a coup with so many examples of those things making everything worse. And yes, both Alex and myself come from a country where the pre-coup government was a sponsor of state terrorism and the situation on the ground (the economy, the quasi civil war) was comparable, probably even worse than that of Turkey now, where people and politicians alike were clamoring for a coup and when it happened it turned out to be worse (almost even got us into a war with Chile).

Well, we tend to be more cautious I guess.

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

Soon.

[seb_pard]

Don't waste the energy on your typing fingers.

I tried to make this argument last time when the coup attempt was happening and was laughed out of the room.

your argument is valid -  since some time has passed since the failed coup i agree now. it's just that a slow-mo coup IS happening in turkey, day after day and the failed coup was just a good excuse to accelerate the speed and unveil their intentions. seems like a choice between a fast and a slow death.

To be frank, I'm not really sure what is to be done (if anything at all). It's obviously a complicated situation and I doubt there is a "solution" that won't result in some form of human suffering.

It's just that it pains me to see such quick acceptance for a coup with so many examples of those things making everything worse. And yes, both Alex and myself come from a country where the pre-coup government was a sponsor of state terrorism and the situation on the ground (the economy, the quasi civil war) was comparable, probably even worse than that of Turkey now, where people and politicians alike were clamoring for a coup and when it happened it turned out to be worse (almost even got us into a war with Chile).

Well, we tend to be more cautious I guess.

Yes, the banalization of a coup here is really hard to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNfcjkL37zE

This is video of Patricio Aylwin (first chilean president after Pinochet and one of the leaders of the opposition against his dictatorship) supporting the coup against Allende. He was quite sure that the army would give him the power right away after the coup (as most of christian democrats). He was very wrong.

A military junta is a pandora's box.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Soon.

"Retaking"

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

http://thehill.com/homenews/325798-turkey-looking-to-use-referendum-to-pursue-eu-membership

Lol