After 2020 will the progressive movement be dead

[Hindsight was 2020]

I remember in 2008 there were pundits and such acting similarly to Republicans in this election, saying the other wide would never win again. Except there is even less ground to stand on this time as Trump didn't win the PV.

^This^

[Virginiá]

It ranged from k-2 to grade 12, so it featured students from a lot of age groups. Keep in mind, this survey isn't incredibly scientific, but the results show her winning states like Texas and Idaho so I'd say there's some merit in looking at how much the margins compare to the actual results. http://election.scholastic.com/vote/

One thing I like about the Scholastic vote is that it actually reflects every state where Democrats won or at least tied the youth vote, noting:

1. Utah (tied 18-24, lost 18-29 by 2 pts)
2. Democrats just barely lost the 18-24 vote in MN/WI but won 18-29 overall.
3. I'm not sure about Idaho, afaik we don't have exit polling there, but given Trump's problems with Mormons it is not hard to see why it showed up on Scholastic.
4. Indiana (tied 18-29, won 18-24 by 6 points)
5. Iowa - Democrats won 18-24 voters by 9 points in Iowa, but lost 25-29 bigly and so lost the 18-29 vote.

I'm not trying to give it more significance than it is due, but the results are not random or insignificant either.

[DPKdebator]

Liberals and conservatives are always reinventing themselves. It seemed like the conservative movement was dead in 2016 and now they're more powerful than ever.

It seemed like the conservative movement was dead in 2016?

I think the 2010 and 2014 midterms would like to have a chat.

[Medal506]

I doubt it. Millennials don't look to be moderating or shifting their views anytime soon and they're gonna make up an even bigger share of the electorate in 2020 and an even bigger share than that in 2024.

Virtually every Millennial could vote in 2016, the only ones that couldn't were the youngest 2-3 years of it. 2000-2001 and later is Generation Z, which is much more conservative than Millennials are. Gen Z kids are too young to remember Bush and virtually all were born after Clinton, so their actions and policies have absolutely zero resonation with them.

Yeah, but being able to vote isn't the same thing as being likely to vote. People are naturally more likely to vote as they get older, so more and more millennials will be showing up to the polls one way or another. Also, the more old people die, the larger the share of the electorate that millennials make..

Yes however the older people get the more conservative they get so these millennials will become just like the rest of Americans

[pbrower2a]

I doubt it. Millennials don't look to be moderating or shifting their views anytime soon and they're gonna make up an even bigger share of the electorate in 2020 and an even bigger share than that in 2024.

As significantly, Millennial adults will start entering high-level politics as the oldest approach age 40. Theirs is a generation of tiger cubs, and neither the Religious Right nor the Corporate Right which form the power base of the Republican Party has much to offer them.

Millennial adults will define much of the political lingo, and 'moderation' will imply coming to accede to the agenda of Millennial adults -- a more rational and equitable order.   

[NOVA Green]

No----

Simply because the "Progressive" label was simply a substitute for "Liberal" but from a more Left-Wing policy platform back in the dark ages of the 1990s when the DNC and Bill Clinton had essentially taken control of the Democratic Party as some type of triangulation strategy.

My avatar states "Oregon Progressive", but the reality is that the Progressive Movement is simply a generational label, that was born out out of fundamental opposition to a sell-out Neo-Corporate agenda, where the Democratic Party shifted significantly to the Right, and essentially codified and enshrined into popular culture and legislation fundamental policy positions straight out of the playbook of the Rightwing think-tanks that gave birth to the "Reagan Revolution"....

The fundamental core was to place the interests of MNCs above that of the vast majority of Americans.... Sure let's attract foreign direct investment (FDI) to feed the greedy hands of Wall Street, while meanwhile, we see a dramatic decline in decent paying union jobs, while we sign NAFTA into law, continue to back the MFN status for China....

Sure we can all buy cheaper low quality c**p at WalMart, while meanwhile the furniture assembly sector in North Carolina gets shoved into the ground, auto-suppliers increasingly shifted operations to Mexico to the Maquiladora region of Mexico.... (Until unfortunately for Mexico they get hit with the MFN status for China which GW Bush signed, and Clinton didn't stand in front of the tanks on, last time I recall....)

Deregulation this.... deregulation that.....

Is it any wonder that a vast majority of Americans from both Left, Right, and Center feel that *both* political parties have abandoned them for decades?

I remember when I was a young kid, as a somewhat late Gen-Exer, my dad telling me about how all of the politicians were raiding social security to borrow money, while meanwhile they were going to jack up the retirement age and decrease the payouts.

The fundamental agenda of the vast majority of Republicans in the US House and Senate for a long time has been to gut the fundamental legacy of the New Deal and Great Society, solely because of an ideological perspective involving the role of government.

I recognize that many on this Forum are relatively young, and don't realize how important this is, and sure we can see a relatively young and "sexy" Paul Ryan making decent sounding arguments that hide the ugly reality of what the actual consequences of such dramatic policy positions mean.

We have only to look at the collapse of the Republican attempt to destroy ACA, to see how well this played among older Americans... and quite frankly in some ways, I think Trump is actually fine with it having failed, since *It was all on the Republicans in Congress*

Loop back to "Will the Progressive Movement be Dead in 2020"....

Absolutely not.... the name will change, as us older Gen-Xers and Boomers cede ground to the Millennial voices of the future....

Classic quote from Romeo and Juliet.... "Progressive Movement" will simply be rebranded and reimagined in 2020:

Juliet:

'Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
What's Montague? It is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
And for that name which is no part of thee
Take all myself.

[Mr. Smith]

Conservatism didn't die after Ford lost '76 and Nixon resigned now did it.

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No----

Simply because the "Progressive" label was simply a substitute for "Liberal" but from a more Left-Wing policy platform back in the dark ages of the 1990s when the DNC and Bill Clinton had essentially taken control of the Democratic Party as some type of triangulation strategy.

My avatar states "Oregon Progressive", but the reality is that the Progressive Movement is simply a generational label, that was born out out of fundamental opposition to a sell-out Neo-Corporate agenda, where the Democratic Party shifted significantly to the Right, and essentially codified and enshrined into popular culture and legislation fundamental policy positions straight out of the playbook of the Rightwing think-tanks that gave birth to the "Reagan Revolution"....

The fundamental core was to place the interests of MNCs above that of the vast majority of Americans.... Sure let's attract foreign direct investment (FDI) to feed the greedy hands of Wall Street, while meanwhile, we see a dramatic decline in decent paying union jobs, while we sign NAFTA into law, continue to back the MFN status for China....

Sure we can all buy cheaper low quality c**p at WalMart, while meanwhile the furniture assembly sector in North Carolina gets shoved into the ground, auto-suppliers increasingly shifted operations to Mexico to the Maquiladora region of Mexico.... (Until unfortunately for Mexico they get hit with the MFN status for China which GW Bush signed, and Clinton didn't stand in front of the tanks on, last time I recall....)

Deregulation this.... deregulation that.....

Is it any wonder that a vast majority of Americans from both Left, Right, and Center feel that *both* political parties have abandoned them for decades?

I remember when I was a young kid, as a somewhat late Gen-Exer, my dad telling me about how all of the politicians were raiding social security to borrow money, while meanwhile they were going to jack up the retirement age and decrease the payouts.

The fundamental agenda of the vast majority of Republicans in the US House and Senate for a long time has been to gut the fundamental legacy of the New Deal and Great Society, solely because of an ideological perspective involving the role of government.

I recognize that many on this Forum are relatively young, and don't realize how important this is, and sure we can see a relatively young and "sexy" Paul Ryan making decent sounding arguments that hide the ugly reality of what the actual consequences of such dramatic policy positions mean.

We have only to look at the collapse of the Republican attempt to destroy ACA, to see how well this played among older Americans... and quite frankly in some ways, I think Trump is actually fine with it having failed, since *It was all on the Republicans in Congress*

Loop back to "Will the Progressive Movement be Dead in 2020"....

Absolutely not.... the name will change, as us older Gen-Xers and Boomers cede ground to the Millennial voices of the future....

Classic quote from Romeo and Juliet.... "Progressive Movement" will simply be rebranded and reimagined in 2020:

Juliet:

'Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
What's Montague? It is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
And for that name which is no part of thee
Take all myself.

Yes, it seemed all the 1990s Democrats wanted to do was deregulate. We got rid of Glass Steagal, and sh**t hit the fan like Senator Dorgan warned. We deregulated the telecoms, and now we pay way more than other first world countries for our internet. Welfare reform made poor people's life harder. And of course NAFTA cost a lot of jobs.

In 1996, it seemed like Bill Clinton was trying to run to Bob Dole's right, and was touting his support for DOMA, school uniform, a V-chip, and abortion limitations. Now Bob Dole is the most liberal Republican nominee since at least Ford, and he did support ObamaCare, but he was still a conservative Republican. But Clinton had decided that he needed to be totally 3rd way to win re-election, since that's what his top political adviser, Dick Morris told him. Yes, Dick Morris, the guy who rated Arkansas as strong Obama in 2008. That guy was Bill Clinton's top political adviser. What an embarrassment.

[Incipimus iterum]

They said the same thing about the conservative movement after the landslide defeat of Barry Goldwater in 1964. People also said that the republican party could never recover after the 1936 election.

[Ridge]

I can definitely see young voters wrenching right in the next 20 years, and the GOP could find themselves winning young voters by 2022.

[Hindsight was 2020]

I can definitely see young voters wrenching right in the next 20 years, and the GOP could find themselves winning young voters by 2022.

K I have no idea how considering studies show millennials are very liberal

[Hindsight was 2020]

I can definitely see young voters wrenching right in the next 20 years, and the GOP could find themselves winning young voters by 2022.

K I have no idea how considering studies show millennials are very liberal

Generation Z is so conservative it'll make ya head spin. And by conservative I mean national socialist

I still don't buy that idea

[TheSaint250]

Generation Z is so conservative it'll make ya head spin. And by conservative I mean national socialist

Generation Z is conservative because they value responsibility in the economy over pathetic spending from the socialists on the left.  They also see the value of the government staying out of things, the reason for why many of them are socially liberal.

There is no Naziism in their hearts.  Get your head out of the clouds and do some research for once.

[pbrower2a]

If the Progressive cause is dead in 2020 -- then it will have been murdered.

[krazen1211]

One would think that after so much losing, the Democrat party would cleanse itself of the toxic rot in its bones.

[White Trash]

One would think that after so much losing, the Democrat party would cleanse itself of the toxic rot in its bones.

and what exactly is the toxic rot it is suffering from?

Folks like you and your ideological kin.

[White Trash]

One would think that after so much losing, the Democrat party would cleanse itself of the toxic rot in its bones.

and what exactly is the toxic rot it is suffering from?

Folks like you and your ideological kin.

And this is why you just keep losing and losing.  No wonder Democrats are an afterthought in your state, given the poor people there must deal with your political positions and self-righteousness.

Except we have a Democratic governor who won quite handily? Also, the bolded part is really ironic coming from you. How many times does your brand of "liberalism" have to be defeated in election after election in just about every level of politics before you get the message that no one likes what you're selling?

[White Trash]

One would think that after so much losing, the Democrat party would cleanse itself of the toxic rot in its bones.

and what exactly is the toxic rot it is suffering from?

Folks like you and your ideological kin.

Remember that time you said "Trash that happens to be better educated than you and is doing work for an esteemed institution buckeroo :-)"

And on that subject, you are soooooo willing to attack folks for their background, education and age. And yet, we don't know a thing about you. So why don't you hop off that high horse of yours and tell us what breed it is?

[White Trash]

One would think that after so much losing, the Democrat party would cleanse itself of the toxic rot in its bones.

and what exactly is the toxic rot it is suffering from?

Folks like you and your ideological kin.

Remember that time you said "Trash that happens to be better educated than you and is doing work for an esteemed institution buckeroo :-)"

And on that subject, you are soooooo willing to attack folks for their background, education and age. And yet, we don't know a thing about you. So why don't you hop off that high horse of yours and tell us what breed it is?

Sure as soon as you tell us what esteemed institution is in Louisiana.  We can do that... tell me how at 20 you are better educated than someone with two degrees from Ivy League schools?  Alternative facts?

You keep saying this over and over again. But have yet to name the institutions and degrees you hold. Oh and btw, thanks for paying for my Obamacare and food stamps :-)

[White Trash]

One would think that after so much losing, the Democrat party would cleanse itself of the toxic rot in its bones.

and what exactly is the toxic rot it is suffering from?

Folks like you and your ideological kin.

Remember that time you said "Trash that happens to be better educated than you and is doing work for an esteemed institution buckeroo :-)"

And on that subject, you are soooooo willing to attack folks for their background, education and age. And yet, we don't know a thing about you. So why don't you hop off that high horse of yours and tell us what breed it is?

Sure as soon as you tell us what esteemed institution is in Louisiana.  We can do that... tell me how at 20 you are better educated than someone with two degrees from Ivy League schools?  Alternative facts?

You keep saying this over and over again. But have yet to name the institutions and degrees you hold. Oh and btw, thanks for paying for my Obamacare and food stamps :-)

Yale and Penn.  Now your turn?

Oxford, Cambridge, Columbia, Harvard. You see I can make stuff up too :-)

[White Trash]

I'm honestly curious to know what keeps you voting Democrat. When it's so clear that your temperament and views on human decency are more in line with an Ayn Rand worshiping Republican.

[White Trash]

I'm honestly curious to know what keeps you voting Democrat. When it's so clear that your temperament and views on human decency are more in line with an Ayn Rand worshiping Republican.

Well, you have zero personal perspective on American politics given that you've only been old enough to vote for one election, so that's not really surprising to me.

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[White Trash]

I'm honestly curious to know what keeps you voting Democrat. When it's so clear that your temperament and views on human decency are more in line with an Ayn Rand worshiping Republican.

Well, you have zero personal perspective on American politics given that you've only been old enough to vote for one election, so that's not really surprising to me.

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I think my views are pretty in line with Hillary Clinton's, I just view the deplorables more broadly than she did.

Except Clinton supported the welfare state and number of programs and services that would be considered "Progressive".

[White Trash]

I'm honestly curious to know what keeps you voting Democrat. When it's so clear that your temperament and views on human decency are more in line with an Ayn Rand worshiping Republican.

Well, you have zero personal perspective on American politics given that you've only been old enough to vote for one election, so that's not really surprising to me.

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I think my views are pretty in line with Hillary Clinton's, I just view the deplorables more broadly than she did.

Except Clinton supported the welfare state and number of programs and services that would be considered "Progressive".

She was tempered enough that I could overlook that to vote Democrat.  Unlike the more deplorable  wing of the party that you seem to fully support, which supports outright socialism... that is reprehensible enough to vote Republican.  So perhaps my name is becoming less accurate as I grow older... perhaps I am a bit more swingy as I am unwilling to put up with the agenda you espouse. 

The issue is that this wing could very well take the reigns of the Democratic Party. The DLC and their ilk lost. Clinton's defeat simply makes your wing of the party look ineffective and unable to be competitive anymore. I really shouldn't call it a wing, considering that it is a very very small and very very unpopular minority.

Needless to say, I'm glad that folks of your income make up only 1% of America. And exactly 0% of who I care about.

[White Trash]

I'm honestly curious to know what keeps you voting Democrat. When it's so clear that your temperament and views on human decency are more in line with an Ayn Rand worshiping Republican.

Well, you have zero personal perspective on American politics given that you've only been old enough to vote for one election, so that's not really surprising to me.

Not an answer

I think my views are pretty in line with Hillary Clinton's, I just view the deplorables more broadly than she did.

Except Clinton supported the welfare state and number of programs and services that would be considered "Progressive".

She was tempered enough that I could overlook that to vote Democrat.  Unlike the more deplorable  wing of the party that you seem to fully support, which supports outright socialism... that is reprehensible enough to vote Republican.  So perhaps my name is becoming less accurate as I grow older... perhaps I am a bit more swingy as I am unwilling to put up with the agenda you espouse.  

The issue is that this wing could very well take the reigns of the Democratic Party. The DLC and their ilk lost. Clinton's defeat simply makes your wing of the party look ineffective and unable to be competitive anymore. I really shouldn't call it a wing, considering that it is a very very small and very very unpopular minority.

Needless to say, I'm glad that folks of your income make up only 1% of America. And 0% of who I care about.

Feeling is mutual, which is why we don't want to pay for your college education after we paid for our own college educations... 

But why does it matter anyways to you anyways??? you already graduated from Oxford and Harvard, etc. and are doing big things in Louisiana so you don't need socialism.

I sure hope you can still feed and clothe yourself cheaply without the poor and the working.