Grover Cleveland vs. Woodrow Wilson

[TDAS04]

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Wilson's First Term > Cleveland's First Term >>≥>>>>>>>>>>> Cleveland's Second Term > Wilson's Second Term

[Lechasseur]

Grover Cleveland

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Cleveland over Wilson, 24/7, 365 days a year

[Mr. Smith]

Wilson's 1st >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cleveland's 1st > Wilson's 2nd >>>>>>>>>>>>Cleveland's 2nd.


Yeah, I gotta go with Wilson.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

What LD Smith said, more or less; Wilson's first term was the best four years of the sixteen under examination here, with Cleveland's first term in second and a dead heat for last place.

[Kingpoleon]

Cleveland didn't start the most immoral war that is still defended today by a majority of people.

Wilson finished Cleveland's economic policies, solidifying the gold standard with the Federal Reserve. He is the President most responsible for the Great Depression.

[Beet]

Wilson is so underrated on the forum. One thing about him, it was under him that the US surpassed GB as the #1 world power. To the extent being #1 is important to US identity as a nation, he is even more significant than Washington, Lincoln or FDR.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Cleveland didn't start the most immoral war that is still defended today by a majority of people.

Good point; Gavrilo Princip was certainly a terrible president. I can't think of a single positive accomplishment of his administration; he might as well have never been elected!

[Kingpoleon]

Cleveland didn't start the most immoral war that is still defended today by a majority of people.

Good point; Gavrilo Princip was certainly a terrible president. I can't think of a single positive accomplishment of his administration; he might as well have never been elected!

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WWI had far worse effects than Cleveland's Presidency.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Ugh, Wilson.

[LabourJersey]

Cleveland didn't start the most immoral war that is still defended today by a majority of people.

Good point; Gavrilo Princip was certainly a terrible president. I can't think of a single positive accomplishment of his administration; he might as well have never been elected!

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WWI had far worse effects than Cleveland's Presidency.

But what was Wilson supposed to do? He tried extensively for at least two years to get the Allies & Central Powers to negotiate a peace, to no avail. And it's quite difficult to argue that America's economic power didn't give the Allies the advantage necessary to end the war in Nov. 1918 as opposed to 1921 or whenever.

[Kingpoleon]

Cleveland didn't start the most immoral war that is still defended today by a majority of people.

Good point; Gavrilo Princip was certainly a terrible president. I can't think of a single positive accomplishment of his administration; he might as well have never been elected!

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WWI had far worse effects than Cleveland's Presidency.

But what was Wilson supposed to do? He tried extensively for at least two years to get the Allies & Central Powers to negotiate a peace, to no avail. And it's quite difficult to argue that America's economic power didn't give the Allies the advantage necessary to end the war in Nov. 1918 as opposed to 1921 or whenever.

Without Wilson's Points, Germany wouldn't have been punished so harshly.

Furthermore, if the French mutiny had continued without America showing up, there would eventually either be a German victory an essential tie. Either way prevents the rise of Hitler.

[President Johnson]

Professor Wilson. Easy vote.

Cleveland was against women's sufferage; it was enacted during Wilson's presidency. Wilson was also way superior to Cleveland with his intellect.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

Cleveland was an FF and a friend of the taxpayer; Wilson instituted the income tax and his second term was a bigger disaster than Cleveland's. Cleveland.

[SATW]

cleveland

[RFayette]

Definitely Cleveland, who was probably my favorite Democratic President.

[Kingpoleon]

Cleveland was an FF and a friend of the taxpayer; Wilson['s] instituted the income tax and his... second term was a bigger disaster than Cleveland's. Cleveland.

Why on earth would I ever agree with you minus the crossed out part?

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Professor Wilson. Easy vote.

Cleveland was against women's sufferage; it was enacted during Wilson's presidency. Wilson was also way superior to Cleveland with his intellect.

Wilson only enacted it because he was being controlled by his wife.

[Santander]

Cleveland, although I do like Wilson

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Professor Wilson. Easy vote.

Cleveland was against women's sufferage; it was enacted during Wilson's presidency. Wilson was also way superior to Cleveland with his intellect.

Wilson only enacted it because he was being controlled by his wife.

Yeah, that's been largely debunked.

[TDAS04]

Cleveland deserves credit for not being a dick to weaker nations.

[Maxwell]

Wilson's First Term > Cleveland's First Term >>≥>>>>>>>>>>> Cleveland's Second Term > Wilson's Second Term

yep. I think I'd overall put Wilson ahead of Cleveland.

It's very odd that those two both had a similar trajectory into disaster on the second term  - though that seems to happen in American politics, regardless of party.

[RINO Tom]

Easy Cleveland vote.

[Kingpoleon]

Cleveland deserves credit for not being a dick to weaker nations.

It seems to me many think: Sure, he didn't destroy the losers of a war he barely fought in, but remember his... economic policies which were so bad?

His economic policies weren't even that bad. I don't get why he's worse than an imperialistic, pro-eugenics racist.