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« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2017, 08:17:48 AM »

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« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2017, 08:39:18 AM »

Jaichind performs the same shtick more convincingly.

And is an extremely valuable contributor - his posts on elections in India and Japan in particular are some of the most useful of any forum member - even if he does have horrific politics. Not sure if we can say the same for NSV...
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« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2017, 09:26:21 AM »
« Edited: March 28, 2017, 09:31:05 AM by RINO Tom »

Very ironic and quite amusing now, so I have to vote FN.

I will admit this is ironic, and was not my intention to be... I have had the red avatar since I began posting here years ago...

However, I am not sold on the Republican party either.  I've just come to realize that Democrats are just as bad if not slightly worse than Republicans.

It's only really the actual Democratic activist rank and file that doesn't fit you; the current mainstream Democratic politicians themselves like McCaulliffe, Kaine, Clinton, etc are still right up your alley/agree with you, at least for the time being.

Sorry, but this is total bullshlt.  Those politicians are moderate COMPARED to the Democratic base.  Non-Swing Voter is literally making partisan Republican arguments on economic issues, arguing for tax cuts, reducing the social safety net, demonizing a more socialized economy, scoffing at tax hikes for the wealthy and literally wants to repeal Obamacare.  Not a single one of those politicians you named would support a single one of those measures.  He's VERY out of place in the Democratic Party.
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« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2017, 09:27:58 AM »

I'm sure the millions of Americans who are struggling to make ends meet will be deeply moved by your plea and do their best to make your dream come true.

They already have by voting Republican in 2016 en masse.

You know, there are poor non-White people too, and they did not vote for Trump in 2016.  In fact, as income brackets got lower, they voted more for Clinton.  Direct relationship, friend.
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« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2017, 09:47:24 AM »

Sorry, but this is total bullshlt.  Those politicians are moderate COMPARED to the Democratic base.  Non-Swing Voter is literally making partisan Republican arguments on economic issues, arguing for tax cuts, reducing the social safety net, demonizing a more socialized economy, scoffing at tax hikes for the wealthy and literally wants to repeal Obamacare.  Not a single one of those politicians you named would support a single one of those measures.  He's VERY out of place in the Democratic Party.
I agree, but it should also be noted that things like talking about cutting taxes and repealing Obamacare don't even really mean anything anymore, and are really just Republican Party rituals, as the vote to actually repeal Obamacare demonstrated.
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« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2017, 10:38:57 AM »

His name is peak Atlas but not the real problem, and his views aren't really that exceptional -- it is rather his abrasiveness toward other posters that sets him apart and makes him one of the worst posters here.
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« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2017, 10:46:38 AM »

Very ironic and quite amusing now, so I have to vote FN.

I will admit this is ironic, and was not my intention to be... I have had the red avatar since I began posting here years ago...

However, I am not sold on the Republican party either.  I've just come to realize that Democrats are just as bad if not slightly worse than Republicans.

It's only really the actual Democratic activist rank and file that doesn't fit you; the current mainstream Democratic politicians themselves like McCaulliffe, Kaine, Clinton, etc are still right up your alley/agree with you, at least for the time being.

Sorry, but this is total bullshlt.  Those politicians are moderate COMPARED to the Democratic base.  Non-Swing Voter is literally making partisan Republican arguments on economic issues, arguing for tax cuts, reducing the social safety net, demonizing a more socialized economy, scoffing at tax hikes for the wealthy and literally wants to repeal Obamacare.  Not a single one of those politicians you named would support a single one of those measures.  He's VERY out of place in the Democratic Party.

Says the Republican.

Yes, a socially moderate Republican is much less out of place than a Democrat who is championing Reaganomics, I don't even know how that's debatable.
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« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2017, 10:48:25 AM »

I'm sure the millions of Americans who are struggling to make ends meet will be deeply moved by your plea and do their best to make your dream come true.

They already have by voting Republican in 2016 en masse.

You know, there are poor non-White people too, and they did not vote for Trump in 2016.  In fact, as income brackets got lower, they voted more for Clinton.  Direct relationship, friend.

And you know, there are upper income people that voted for Clinton... in fact, about 50% did.  Just because you personally make under 50K and voted for Clinton does not mean that that was the crux of her support.  You also claimed vehemently blasted me in multiple threads when I argued that Clinton won white college grads.  A notion that has now been proven more likely than not by detailed studies.

You seem to think that the key voting bloc is the WWC simply because you fall into that category, when actually low income whites are shrinking as a percentage of the population and democrats should obviously focus on other groups.

LOL, you have no idea what demographic I fall in.  Using the incredibly lazy and stupid definition of WWC that you seem to prefer - Whites without a college degree - I would not be "WWC."  And I didn't say Clinton didn't have high earners voting for her; I said that the bulk of her support came from low earners, which is true.
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« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2017, 10:55:06 AM »

I'm sure the millions of Americans who are struggling to make ends meet will be deeply moved by your plea and do their best to make your dream come true.

They already have by voting Republican in 2016 en masse.

You know, there are poor non-White people too, and they did not vote for Trump in 2016.  In fact, as income brackets got lower, they voted more for Clinton.  Direct relationship, friend.

And you know, there are upper income people that voted for Clinton... in fact, about 50% did.  Just because you personally make under 50K and voted for Clinton does not mean that that was the crux of her support.  You also claimed vehemently blasted me in multiple threads when I argued that Clinton won white college grads.  A notion that has now been proven more likely than not by detailed studies.

You seem to think that the key voting bloc is the WWC simply because you fall into that category, when actually low income whites are shrinking as a percentage of the population and democrats should obviously focus on other groups.

LOL, you have no idea what demographic I fall in.  Using the incredibly lazy and stupid definition of WWC that you seem to prefer - Whites without a college degree - I would not be "WWC."  And I didn't say Clinton didn't have high earners voting for her; I said that the bulk of her support came from low earners, which is true.

Because most people are low earners, just like she got more votes from people who aren't black than people who are black. 

Making under 50K clearly falls within the definition of "working class," "working poor," whatever you want to call it. 

Making $50,000 where I live is equivalent to making almost $78,000 where you live ... you do know that, right?  Would you consider a 25-year old living in NOVA making almost $80,000 to be poor?
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« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2017, 10:57:45 AM »

Very ironic and quite amusing now, so I have to vote FN.

I will admit this is ironic, and was not my intention to be... I have had the red avatar since I began posting here years ago...

However, I am not sold on the Republican party either.  I've just come to realize that Democrats are just as bad if not slightly worse than Republicans.

It's only really the actual Democratic activist rank and file that doesn't fit you; the current mainstream Democratic politicians themselves like McCaulliffe, Kaine, Clinton, etc are still right up your alley/agree with you, at least for the time being.

Sorry, but this is total bullshlt.  Those politicians are moderate COMPARED to the Democratic base.  Non-Swing Voter is literally making partisan Republican arguments on economic issues, arguing for tax cuts, reducing the social safety net, demonizing a more socialized economy, scoffing at tax hikes for the wealthy and literally wants to repeal Obamacare.  Not a single one of those politicians you named would support a single one of those measures.  He's VERY out of place in the Democratic Party.

Says the Republican.

Yes, a socially moderate Republican is much less out of place than a Democrat who is championing Reaganomics, I don't even know how that's debatable.

1. Because people vote on social issues nowadays.  The vast majority of extremely wealthy congressional districts voted for Hillary Clinton despite their own economic interests.

2. Also, if you are more progressive on fiscal issues than Reagan and you are "socially moderate" then I find it hard to believe that you are even a Republican. 

1. Some do, some don't.  There will always be a segement of affluent Americans - especially White ones - who remain Republican as long as they are the more economically conservative party, which won't change in the foreseeable future.

2. You can believe whatever you'd like, but I'm registered as a Republican in a closed-primary state and actively participate in the party's primary process here.  Whatever you want to say about how *dumb* that is, that makes me a Republican, period.
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« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2017, 10:59:23 AM »

I'm sure the millions of Americans who are struggling to make ends meet will be deeply moved by your plea and do their best to make your dream come true.

They already have by voting Republican in 2016 en masse.

You know, there are poor non-White people too, and they did not vote for Trump in 2016.  In fact, as income brackets got lower, they voted more for Clinton.  Direct relationship, friend.

And you know, there are upper income people that voted for Clinton... in fact, about 50% did.  Just because you personally make under 50K and voted for Clinton does not mean that that was the crux of her support.  You also claimed vehemently blasted me in multiple threads when I argued that Clinton won white college grads.  A notion that has now been proven more likely than not by detailed studies.

You seem to think that the key voting bloc is the WWC simply because you fall into that category, when actually low income whites are shrinking as a percentage of the population and democrats should obviously focus on other groups.

LOL, you have no idea what demographic I fall in.  Using the incredibly lazy and stupid definition of WWC that you seem to prefer - Whites without a college degree - I would not be "WWC."  And I didn't say Clinton didn't have high earners voting for her; I said that the bulk of her support came from low earners, which is true.

Because most people are low earners, just like she got more votes from people who aren't black than people who are black. 

Making under 50K clearly falls within the definition of "working class," "working poor," whatever you want to call it. 

Making $50,000 where I live is equivalent to making almost $78,000 where you live ... you do know that, right?  Would you consider a 25-year old living in NOVA making almost $80,000 to be poor?

How would I know that, I have no idea what town you live in.

But to answer your question: In most parts of NOVA - yes definitely, that's lower than what the average Federal Gov. Employee makes and they are also getting a pension and good health benefits.  That will basically get you a 1 bedroom apartment in a less desirable location of NOVA, somewhere with a really long commute most likely.

That's my point: I don't live in NOVA and don't plan to.  The economics of living in NOVA are irrelevant to everyone but those living in NOVA.  Some professional in NOVA who has a super high cost of living is not "more affluent" than someone in a cheap suburb of Nashville who "makes less" but gets to live richer.
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« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2017, 11:09:17 AM »

Actually you were the one questioning why I am a registered Democrat.

There's no party registration in Virginia.
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« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2017, 11:12:55 AM »

The elephant in the room is that in large metropolitan areas implicit in the high cost of living you are paying for the privilege of living in a culturally significant megalopolis with a lot of people, things to do, etc etc - that is the exchange you make to be able to afford less geographic space, to have to pay more for groceries, etc etc.

Now, for me, it's a no brainer that I'd rather live in a smaller, less expensive but still culturally worthwhile city than a place with the highest COL in the country - but that is part of the tradeoff.  As someone who pays $500 rent to live in 2-bedroom townhouse in a rural area, I'd gladly pay $1000 to get a 1-bed in a more interesting, less lonely/boring/culturally backwards place.
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« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2017, 11:57:05 AM »

An important difference being that certain major expenses (e.g. state and federal taxes, post-secondary education, healthcare) are no higher on average in high cost-of-living places. Actually, a major benefit of many high cost-of-living places is that you have ready access to these resources without the transportation and lodging expenses that limit access among people living in the hinterlands. Furthermore, even a modest savings rate will be sufficient to guarantee you a comfortable living in a less expensive area. You don't have to retire to another expensive place.

Was this serious?  The tax rate in and around DC is very high compared to say Texas which I believe doesn't even have a state income tax.

Virginia and Maryland have moderate state income taxes by national standards, and you would be paying them whether you lived in a DC metro county or one of the panhandles. It's certainly lower than what I pay in Upstate New York.

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Alright, I thought you were one of the more rational progressives, but I'm over this vitriol.

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« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2017, 12:01:05 PM »

Going to go live my life in the real world.

Good. It's working hours and your boss is probably pissed.
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« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2017, 06:30:40 PM »

The name is grimly fitting because in a sane political system he'd be a hardline, unbudgeable right-wing voter. I also think he's a useful reminder that "why won't the side I disagree with vote in muh Best Interests?" really isn't the rhetorical magic bullet everybody assumes it is, and is no substitute for voting based on sound moral principles.

Nah, you guys should have to keep him. Tongue

Anyway, I'm pretty ambivalent to NSV...not my cup of tea, but he can be funny at times.  I tend to just assume his goal is to rile people up, and having regrettably engaged in that activity in the past, I'm not really in a place to hold that against him.
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« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2017, 08:20:09 PM »

The name is grimly fitting because in a sane political system he'd be a hardline, unbudgeable right-wing voter. I also think he's a useful reminder that "why won't the side I disagree with vote in muh Best Interests?" really isn't the rhetorical magic bullet everybody assumes it is, and is no substitute for voting based on sound moral principles.

Nah, you guys should have to keep him. Tongue

Anyway, I'm pretty ambivalent to NSV...not my cup of tea, but he can be funny at times.  I tend to just assume his goal is to rile people up, and having regrettably engaged in that activity in the past, I'm not really in a place to hold that against him.

You're not a complete asshole, so yes, you are.  He sucks.
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« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2021, 06:35:22 PM »

bumping this
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« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2021, 07:45:46 AM »

His displayname enabled me to make a pun in the Virginia election thread, FN.
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