Opinion of Non Swing Voter's name

[RINO Tom]

Very ironic and quite amusing now, so I have to vote FN.

I will admit this is ironic, and was not my intention to be... I have had the red avatar since I began posting here years ago...

However, I am not sold on the Republican party either.  I've just come to realize that Democrats are just as bad if not slightly worse than Republicans.

It's only really the actual Democratic activist rank and file that doesn't fit you; the current mainstream Democratic politicians themselves like McCaulliffe, Kaine, Clinton, etc are still right up your alley/agree with you, at least for the time being.

Sorry, but this is total bullshlt.  Those politicians are moderate COMPARED to the Democratic base.  Non-Swing Voter is literally making partisan Republican arguments on economic issues, arguing for tax cuts, reducing the social safety net, demonizing a more socialized economy, scoffing at tax hikes for the wealthy and literally wants to repeal Obamacare.  Not a single one of those politicians you named would support a single one of those measures.  He's VERY out of place in the Democratic Party.

[RINO Tom]

I'm sure the millions of Americans who are struggling to make ends meet will be deeply moved by your plea and do their best to make your dream come true.

They already have by voting Republican in 2016 en masse.

You know, there are poor non-White people too, and they did not vote for Trump in 2016.  In fact, as income brackets got lower, they voted more for Clinton.  Direct relationship, friend.

[RINO Tom]

Very ironic and quite amusing now, so I have to vote FN.

I will admit this is ironic, and was not my intention to be... I have had the red avatar since I began posting here years ago...

However, I am not sold on the Republican party either.  I've just come to realize that Democrats are just as bad if not slightly worse than Republicans.

It's only really the actual Democratic activist rank and file that doesn't fit you; the current mainstream Democratic politicians themselves like McCaulliffe, Kaine, Clinton, etc are still right up your alley/agree with you, at least for the time being.

Sorry, but this is total bullshlt.  Those politicians are moderate COMPARED to the Democratic base.  Non-Swing Voter is literally making partisan Republican arguments on economic issues, arguing for tax cuts, reducing the social safety net, demonizing a more socialized economy, scoffing at tax hikes for the wealthy and literally wants to repeal Obamacare.  Not a single one of those politicians you named would support a single one of those measures.  He's VERY out of place in the Democratic Party.

Says the Republican.

Yes, a socially moderate Republican is much less out of place than a Democrat who is championing Reaganomics, I don't even know how that's debatable.

[RINO Tom]

I'm sure the millions of Americans who are struggling to make ends meet will be deeply moved by your plea and do their best to make your dream come true.

They already have by voting Republican in 2016 en masse.

You know, there are poor non-White people too, and they did not vote for Trump in 2016.  In fact, as income brackets got lower, they voted more for Clinton.  Direct relationship, friend.

And you know, there are upper income people that voted for Clinton... in fact, about 50% did.  Just because you personally make under 50K and voted for Clinton does not mean that that was the crux of her support.  You also claimed vehemently blasted me in multiple threads when I argued that Clinton won white college grads.  A notion that has now been proven more likely than not by detailed studies.

You seem to think that the key voting bloc is the WWC simply because you fall into that category, when actually low income whites are shrinking as a percentage of the population and democrats should obviously focus on other groups.

LOL, you have no idea what demographic I fall in.  Using the incredibly lazy and stupid definition of WWC that you seem to prefer - Whites without a college degree - I would not be "WWC."  And I didn't say Clinton didn't have high earners voting for her; I said that the bulk of her support came from low earners, which is true.

[RINO Tom]

I'm sure the millions of Americans who are struggling to make ends meet will be deeply moved by your plea and do their best to make your dream come true.

They already have by voting Republican in 2016 en masse.

You know, there are poor non-White people too, and they did not vote for Trump in 2016.  In fact, as income brackets got lower, they voted more for Clinton.  Direct relationship, friend.

And you know, there are upper income people that voted for Clinton... in fact, about 50% did.  Just because you personally make under 50K and voted for Clinton does not mean that that was the crux of her support.  You also claimed vehemently blasted me in multiple threads when I argued that Clinton won white college grads.  A notion that has now been proven more likely than not by detailed studies.

You seem to think that the key voting bloc is the WWC simply because you fall into that category, when actually low income whites are shrinking as a percentage of the population and democrats should obviously focus on other groups.

LOL, you have no idea what demographic I fall in.  Using the incredibly lazy and stupid definition of WWC that you seem to prefer - Whites without a college degree - I would not be "WWC."  And I didn't say Clinton didn't have high earners voting for her; I said that the bulk of her support came from low earners, which is true.

Because most people are low earners, just like she got more votes from people who aren't black than people who are black. 

Making under 50K clearly falls within the definition of "working class," "working poor," whatever you want to call it. 

Making $50,000 where I live is equivalent to making almost $78,000 where you live ... you do know that, right?  Would you consider a 25-year old living in NOVA making almost $80,000 to be poor?

[RINO Tom]

Very ironic and quite amusing now, so I have to vote FN.

I will admit this is ironic, and was not my intention to be... I have had the red avatar since I began posting here years ago...

However, I am not sold on the Republican party either.  I've just come to realize that Democrats are just as bad if not slightly worse than Republicans.

It's only really the actual Democratic activist rank and file that doesn't fit you; the current mainstream Democratic politicians themselves like McCaulliffe, Kaine, Clinton, etc are still right up your alley/agree with you, at least for the time being.

Sorry, but this is total bullshlt.  Those politicians are moderate COMPARED to the Democratic base.  Non-Swing Voter is literally making partisan Republican arguments on economic issues, arguing for tax cuts, reducing the social safety net, demonizing a more socialized economy, scoffing at tax hikes for the wealthy and literally wants to repeal Obamacare.  Not a single one of those politicians you named would support a single one of those measures.  He's VERY out of place in the Democratic Party.

Says the Republican.

Yes, a socially moderate Republican is much less out of place than a Democrat who is championing Reaganomics, I don't even know how that's debatable.

1. Because people vote on social issues nowadays.  The vast majority of extremely wealthy congressional districts voted for Hillary Clinton despite their own economic interests.

2. Also, if you are more progressive on fiscal issues than Reagan and you are "socially moderate" then I find it hard to believe that you are even a Republican. 

1. Some do, some don't.  There will always be a segement of affluent Americans - especially White ones - who remain Republican as long as they are the more economically conservative party, which won't change in the foreseeable future.

2. You can believe whatever you'd like, but I'm registered as a Republican in a closed-primary state and actively participate in the party's primary process here.  Whatever you want to say about how *dumb* that is, that makes me a Republican, period.

[RINO Tom]

I'm sure the millions of Americans who are struggling to make ends meet will be deeply moved by your plea and do their best to make your dream come true.

They already have by voting Republican in 2016 en masse.

You know, there are poor non-White people too, and they did not vote for Trump in 2016.  In fact, as income brackets got lower, they voted more for Clinton.  Direct relationship, friend.

And you know, there are upper income people that voted for Clinton... in fact, about 50% did.  Just because you personally make under 50K and voted for Clinton does not mean that that was the crux of her support.  You also claimed vehemently blasted me in multiple threads when I argued that Clinton won white college grads.  A notion that has now been proven more likely than not by detailed studies.

You seem to think that the key voting bloc is the WWC simply because you fall into that category, when actually low income whites are shrinking as a percentage of the population and democrats should obviously focus on other groups.

LOL, you have no idea what demographic I fall in.  Using the incredibly lazy and stupid definition of WWC that you seem to prefer - Whites without a college degree - I would not be "WWC."  And I didn't say Clinton didn't have high earners voting for her; I said that the bulk of her support came from low earners, which is true.

Because most people are low earners, just like she got more votes from people who aren't black than people who are black. 

Making under 50K clearly falls within the definition of "working class," "working poor," whatever you want to call it. 

Making $50,000 where I live is equivalent to making almost $78,000 where you live ... you do know that, right?  Would you consider a 25-year old living in NOVA making almost $80,000 to be poor?

How would I know that, I have no idea what town you live in.

But to answer your question: In most parts of NOVA - yes definitely, that's lower than what the average Federal Gov. Employee makes and they are also getting a pension and good health benefits.  That will basically get you a 1 bedroom apartment in a less desirable location of NOVA, somewhere with a really long commute most likely.

That's my point: I don't live in NOVA and don't plan to.  The economics of living in NOVA are irrelevant to everyone but those living in NOVA.  Some professional in NOVA who has a super high cost of living is not "more affluent" than someone in a cheap suburb of Nashville who "makes less" but gets to live richer.

[RINO Tom]

The name is grimly fitting because in a sane political system he'd be a hardline, unbudgeable right-wing voter. I also think he's a useful reminder that "why won't the side I disagree with vote in muh Best Interests?" really isn't the rhetorical magic bullet everybody assumes it is, and is no substitute for voting based on sound moral principles.

Nah, you guys should have to keep him.

Anyway, I'm pretty ambivalent to NSV...not my cup of tea, but he can be funny at times.  I tend to just assume his goal is to rile people up, and having regrettably engaged in that activity in the past, I'm not really in a place to hold that against him.

You're not a complete asshole, so yes, you are.  He sucks.