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« on: March 21, 2018, 05:11:08 PM »

As we know, President can be serve no more than two terms as President. A full term is counted if he has served more than two years (like Ford but unlike Kennedy). So if President Trump completes his term, gets re-elected in 2020 and stands down on 19 January 2022, is he eligible for re-election in 2024 and so on?
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2018, 08:03:24 PM »

As we know, President can be serve no more than two terms as President. A full term is counted if he has served more than two years (like Ford but unlike Kennedy). So if President Trump completes his term, gets re-elected in 2020 and stands down on 19 January 2022, is he eligible for re-election in 2024 and so on?

No, of course not (just as Nixon wasn't eligible for re-election in 1976 after having completed his first term, gotten re-elected in 1972 & standing down on August 9, 1974). "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice" is quite clear on this.
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2018, 08:54:44 AM »

Oh thanks. But what if Ivanka decides to run, gets a nomination and appoints his dad (who resigned before 20 January 2022) as VP? I know there were permutations in Clinton campaign about Bill as VP but decided against it.
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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2018, 04:10:48 PM »

Oh thanks. But what if Ivanka decides to run, gets a nomination and appoints his dad (who resigned before 20 January 2022) as VP? I know there were permutations in Clinton campaign about Bill as VP but decided against it.
Anyone ineligible to be elected president is likewise ineligible to be elected vice president. I don't know where you heard that about Clinton, but I assume they are aware of this.
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2018, 10:20:26 PM »

Oh thanks. But what if Ivanka decides to run, gets a nomination and appoints his dad (who resigned before 20 January 2022) as VP? I know there were permutations in Clinton campaign about Bill as VP but decided against it.
Anyone ineligible to be elected president is likewise ineligible to be elected vice president. I don't know where you heard that about Clinton, but I assume they are aware of this.

Well actually, there's a point of contention regarding the interpretation of the 22nd Amendment as it relates to the 12th Amendment, which states, "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States". While it's clear that under the 12th Amendment the original constitutional qualifications of age, citizenship, & residency apply to both the President & Vice President, it's unclear whether someone who's ineligible to be elected President could be elected Vice President. B/c of this apparant ambiguity, there may be a loophole in the 22nd Amendment whereby a 2-term former-President could be elected Vice President & then succeed to the Presidency as a result of the incumbent's death, resignation, or removal from office (or even succeed to the presidency from some other stated office in the presidential line of succession).

Basically, the original intent of the 12th Amendment concerns qualification for service (age, residence, & citizenship), while the 22nd Amendment, concerns qualifications for election, & thus (strictly applying the text) a former 2-term President is still eligible to serve as Vice President (neither amendment restricts the number of times an individual can be elected to the Vice Presidency), & then succeed to the Presidency to serve out the balance of the term (though prohibited from running for election to an additional term).

The practical applicability of this distinction hasn't been tested, as no former President has ever sought the Vice Presidency; however, going off our given scenario, if Donald Trump were to be re-elected in 2020, & then an Ivanka-Donald ticket won in 2024, & then Ivanka were to resign, Donald Trump could become President again, according to the letter of the law, since he wasn't elected to the position. Whether someone ineligible for the office of President is eligible for the office of Vice President is irrelevant, b/c the 22nd Amendment doesn't make a former 2-term President ineligible for the office of President. It just says he can't be elected anymore. It's incredibly stupid, but that's just the way it is.
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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2018, 02:27:34 PM »

But, going by the example of Ivanka/Donald, would Donald become President only if Ivanka resigned after January 20, 2027? What if she resigned before? Say also that Ford became Reagan's VP, and Reagan's assasination went through. Would Ford be able to stand in 1984?
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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2018, 06:45:23 PM »

But, going by the example of Ivanka/Donald, would Donald become President only if Ivanka resigned after January 20, 2027? What if she resigned before? Say also that Ford became Reagan's VP, and Reagan's assasination went through. Would Ford be able to stand in 1984?

Ford would have definitely been able to stand since in that situation he never would have been elected even once.
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2018, 09:59:16 PM »

The real implicatoin of term limits for the President is that it makes a 2nd term President someting of a 4 year lame duck.
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