Politico: Why Republicans Can’t Find the Big Voter Fraud Conspiracy

[Virginiá]

Why Republicans Can’t Find the Big Voter Fraud Conspiracy

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/why-republicans-cant-find-the-big-voter-fraud-conspiracy-214972

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It's a big story, but worth it if you have any interest in the GOP's preoccupation with voter fraud and the actions taken by Bush and his US Attorneys.

It seems likely to me that Trump will eventually find his way to ramping up investigations into Democrat-aligned groups for all sorts of things. No doubt that if he intends to run again in 2020, he will want to soften up the opposition, whether that includes targeting liberal voter outreach groups or lower-level politicians themselves.

[Rjjr77]

Why Republicans Can’t Find the Big Voter Fraud Conspiracy

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/why-republicans-cant-find-the-big-voter-fraud-conspiracy-214972

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It's a big story, but worth it if you have any interest in the GOP's preoccupation with voter fraud and the actions taken by Bush and his US Attorneys.

It seems likely to me that Trump will eventually find his way to ramping up investigations into Democrat-aligned groups for all sorts of things. No doubt that if he intends to run again in 2020, he will want to soften up the opposition, whether that includes targeting liberal voter outreach groups or lower-level politicians themselves.

Our voting system absolutely needs an overhaul, but voter fraud is just one insignificant portion of what is certainly a larger problem of illegal voting, but just as the GOP uses voter fraud the democrats use voter suppression as their cry to arms of something that is often even lower impact.

[GlobeSoc]

Why Republicans Can’t Find the Big Voter Fraud Conspiracy

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/why-republicans-cant-find-the-big-voter-fraud-conspiracy-214972

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It's a big story, but worth it if you have any interest in the GOP's preoccupation with voter fraud and the actions taken by Bush and his US Attorneys.

It seems likely to me that Trump will eventually find his way to ramping up investigations into Democrat-aligned groups for all sorts of things. No doubt that if he intends to run again in 2020, he will want to soften up the opposition, whether that includes targeting liberal voter outreach groups or lower-level politicians themselves.

Our voting system absolutely needs an overhaul, but voter fraud is just one insignificant portion of what is certainly a larger problem of illegal voting, but just as the GOP uses voter fraud the democrats use voter suppression as their cry to arms of something that is often even lower impact.

An easily accessible and free National photo ID would stave off the very small problem of voter fraud without creating the very significant problem of voter suppression. Would solve a bunch of problems, actually.

[Virginiá]

An easily accessible and free National photo ID would stave off the very small problem of voter fraud without creating the very significant problem of voter suppression. Would solve a bunch of problems, actually.

That depends. Many states with photo ID rules already offer free IDs, but they are not taken advantage of nearly as much as they should, in some cases because people don't even know about it. A national ID, if implemented, should be automatically given to high school/college graduates, as well as when people apply for aid or services at various public agencies. In order for it to become widespread enough to begin to mitigate the issues with various demographics lacking IDs, it can't just be another optional service.

I still don't see the problem of setting ID restrictions that include utility bills/bank statements and other non-photo IDs. You could even go so far as to mandate that utilities/banks print a barcode on each statement that can be easily scanned to verify the user, with the information containing a reference code that can be verified with the company itself if it came to that. It's not fool-proof, but it is enough to deter fraud, especially given how little we have. If one wished to harden that system, they could even take+store pictures of people who didn't have any ID. Facial recognition could be used after the election to weed out double voters. Anyone trying to commit mass fraud would be hard pressed to find people who would agree to have their picture taken and risk a felony.

This is part of what bothers me about all this fraud talk. People have latched onto voter ID without considering other options. Maybe they should ask why North Carolina Republicans initially opted to require photo IDs to vote in-person but not for absentee voting. Or wait, I can answer that: it has nothing to do with non-existent voter fraud. It's just one party trying to rig the rules in their favor.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/09/01/voter_fraud_exists_through_absentee_ballots_but_republicans_won_t_stop_it.html

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[pbrower2a]

It is difficult to find a non-existent conspiracy unless the one demanding that such a conspiracy be discovered is Josef Stalin, Satan Hussein, or one of the Kim dynasty. Then of course such a conspiracy must be created, and people must die as proof of the conspiracy after some show trial.

Donald Trump is nowhere near that bad, and no single person in Congress can demand such.

President still wants 'his' landslide, one in which he wins all but six or so states.   

[Mr. Morden]

Here's my question on voter ID: Do the states even have a list of who is and is not a citizen?  There was that recent case of the woman in Texas who was eventually found to have voted illegally, but was really only caught due to her own stupidity.  She was a non-citizen legal resident, and registered to vote despite not being a citizen, and the state never would have caught her if she hadn't moved.  Which I guess means that they don't know which names are citizens and which aren't.  So even if you have voter ID, and can establish the real name of the person who's voting, how do they know if that person is a citizen or not?

[Rjjr77]

Here's my question on voter ID: Do the states even have a list of who is and is not a citizen?  There was that recent case of the woman in Texas who was eventually found to have voted illegally, but was really only caught due to her own stupidity.  She was a non-citizen legal resident, and registered to vote despite not being a citizen, and the state never would have caught her if she hadn't moved.  Which I guess means that they don't know which names are citizens and which aren't.  So even if you have voter ID, and can establish the real name of the person who's voting, how do they know if that person is a citizen or not?

No, the Obama administration refused to share that information with elections administrators. Perhaps trump will. But right now no.

[MasterJedi]

Sanders did have a mini-voter fraud conspiracy. Told every 17 year old around they country that they could vote in the primaries when it differed by state of what rules they follow:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2017/03/13/dozens-17-year-olds-voted-illegally-wisconsin-2016-spring-primary-new-report-says/99126660/

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Because Russia hacked the election

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