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« Reply #225 on: April 07, 2017, 09:17:38 AM »


So we just wasted $100,000,000 and stuck our forks where they didn't belong on theatrics. Great.
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« Reply #226 on: April 07, 2017, 09:26:05 AM »

Hope the RUUUUUSSSSIIAAA Folks are happy now...

Someone's not happy about the Syrian strikes and is deflecting.

I'm living in the middle of Europe, so of course I'm NOT happy with the danstger of WW III on the horizon! But I don't blame Trump, I'm blame all of this stupid, butthurt Leftists and Neocons with their Russia psychosis, cause it makes everything damn hard to manage. We would need an immediate meeting Trump-Putin but Trump simply can't do because of all this FUCCCCING idiots in the media etc who can't handle the election results!!!!

Okay, thank you for confirming. I had a suspicion but I wasn't sure. As you were; carry on.

Actually I just read that Russian and Syrian Military got the instruction (from the US) to leave the target. And that there will not be more attacks (to benefit ISIS).

So, all in all it seems like great leadership from Trump to show US strength and send a clear message.

But I'm still very much in question whether it's not based on a false flag Action by Turkey and ISIS. I simply can't see any need and Profit for Assad in "going chemical" against civilians.

Fascist war criminals like Satan Hussein and Butcher Assad resort to chemical weapons against helpless civilians either in desperation or revenge.

A stronger President would be telling the Russians to get out of Syria now even if only that propping up a serial mass-murderer is a losing proposition. I am guessing that the attack in Syria is a plan from before Donald Trump became President.
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« Reply #227 on: April 07, 2017, 09:27:28 AM »

They couldn't have removed all of it in time; the fixed equipment for example.

There are some after the attack pictures taken by a Russian photographer here: looks like some stuff certainly got badly damaged.

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« Reply #228 on: April 07, 2017, 09:47:40 AM »

The use of chemical weapons must not be normalized. I believe he saw those pictures of those kids and it affected him. The same part of him that saved that old lady's mortgage back in 1986. A part of him that rarely comes out, yet is the only redeeming part of him, that we'll need to lean on, badly over the next four to eight years. Good job Trump.

Tear gas is classified as a chemical weapon by the 1993 ban, and the cops use it all the time in the US. And yet crickets there.

And you supported a candidate who voted to continue cluster bombs against civilians. Sad!

And another thing. Russia and Syria didn't agree to ban land mines, but neither did the US. We sure have some great company there.




Tbf, we tried to sign the landmines treaty by asking for a disarmament time extension specifically for landmines burried in the korean dmz, but the treaty drafters said no. Im pretty sure our policy has been to limit landmines to the dmz regardless of not ratifying the treaty. I wish we weren't using them at all, but its not like we are burrying landmined next to iraqi schools.
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« Reply #229 on: April 07, 2017, 09:48:44 AM »

The use of chemical weapons must not be normalized. I believe he saw those pictures of those kids and it affected him. The same part of him that saved that old lady's mortgage back in 1986. A part of him that rarely comes out, yet is the only redeeming part of him, that we'll need to lean on, badly over the next four to eight years. Good job Trump.

Let's not pretend that chemical weapons are the main reasons. Everyone under Reagan were busy supporting Saddam when he used chemical weapons on Iran & there were no widespread protests. As long it is the Iranians getting sprayed with gas, who cares right? And Killings seriously - No1 cared about a democratic peaceful Mossadegh being killed because he wanted to nationalize Iran's oil or about a democratic peaceful Salvador Allende being killed in Chile only because he was a socialist (& a democratic one).

The neocons & the Military industry complex never care about these things - They need 1 new war to fight !

And the other party, Al Qaeda & ISIS, one of which cuts people's heads off, has sex slaves & the other flew planes into Twin towers & both have also used chemical weapons. Canada & Germany have denied to blame Assad till the investigation is completed. Russia has suspended Air Safety deal, anytime a plane could get shot ! Warmongers seriously !

The neocons & the Military industrial complex are obviously still terrible, now more than ever with such a militaristic president in charge. But we shouldn't have supported Saddam using lethal chemical weapons either.

Given that Russia was warned & evacuated everything beforehand, this "strike" was just for show and suspending the Air deal is unnecessary aggression on their part.

And lol @ comparing nonlethal pepper spray with literally gassing kids. Lethal chemical weapons should not be tolerated anywhere. What we need domestically is some gun control, but that's virtually a lost cause...
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« Reply #230 on: April 07, 2017, 09:51:52 AM »

btw as was "found out" recently, obama didn't attack assad to save his nuclear deal....a condition of teheran.

tricky question.
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« Reply #231 on: April 07, 2017, 09:58:29 AM »



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« Reply #232 on: April 07, 2017, 10:10:20 AM »

  So, do we have a consensus on why Assad would want to use Chem weapons? Why not carry on with conventional weapons with Russian help which over the last few years has led to a turning of the tide.  Why upset the applecart when you've got a good thing going?
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« Reply #233 on: April 07, 2017, 10:10:53 AM »


'Any country that chooses to defend the Syrian regime will have to do so in public'

Meanwhile, USA lifts human rights requirement for Brunei dictatorship to sell them weapons

Thanks Obama!
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« Reply #234 on: April 07, 2017, 10:11:45 AM »

  So, do we have a consensus on why Assad would want to use Chem weapons? Why not carry on with conventional weapons with Russian help which over the last few years has led to a turning of the tide.  Why upset the applecart when you've got a good thing going?

because you can, you got a super-power behind you, you have won and you don't give a flying eff.
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« Reply #235 on: April 07, 2017, 10:17:47 AM »

  So, do we have a consensus on why Assad would want to use Chem weapons? Why not carry on with conventional weapons with Russian help which over the last few years has led to a turning of the tide.  Why upset the applecart when you've got a good thing going?

because you can, you got a super-power behind you, you have won and you don't give a flying eff.

Why not use chemical weapons against rebells or ISIS? Why use it against civils few days after USA changed their policy to "Assad is not our priority"?

Because he is stupid dictator with bloodthirsty instincts? Well, it seems pretty strange  Roll Eyes

KSA, Turkey and liberals like you seems most happy with that...
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« Reply #236 on: April 07, 2017, 10:21:41 AM »

Why not use chemical weapons against rebells or ISIS? Why use it against civils few days after USA changed their policy to "Assad is not our priority"?

the government is only marginally fighting against ISIS and according to russia's fariy tale, those weren't civilians anyway.
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« Reply #237 on: April 07, 2017, 10:33:20 AM »

There is no credible leftist argument for bombing Syria at this point. Even if it "deters" Syria from using chemical weapons again, which is unlikely, Syria is still going to kill it's own people with mortars and machine guns and fire bombs. A child burned to death or blown up is not a 'better' outcome than a child gassed to death. ISIS and the rebels are going to keep that country a festering hell-hole for years, regardless of our airstrikes.

I have serious doubts that any significant intervention in Syria, even a full scale invasion, which no one wants, would, long term, have any better outcomes than what we're seeing in Iraq 14 years after we invaded there.

There are no good options - so, the best option is not to get involved at all.
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« Reply #238 on: April 07, 2017, 10:38:14 AM »



Sen @RandPaul on #Syria airstrikes: "I think it's unconstitutional."
https://twitter.com/FoxBusiness/status/850366528889507840

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« Reply #239 on: April 07, 2017, 10:45:44 AM »


Unfortunately for libertarians, it isn't.
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« Reply #240 on: April 07, 2017, 10:55:03 AM »

The use of chemical weapons must not be normalized. I believe he saw those pictures of those kids and it affected him. The same part of him that saved that old lady's mortgage back in 1986. A part of him that rarely comes out, yet is the only redeeming part of him, that we'll need to lean on, badly over the next four to eight years. Good job Trump.

Let's not pretend that chemical weapons are the main reasons. Everyone under Reagan were busy supporting Saddam when he used chemical weapons on Iran & there were no widespread protests. As long it is the Iranians getting sprayed with gas, who cares right? And Killings seriously - No1 cared about a democratic peaceful Mossadegh being killed because he wanted to nationalize Iran's oil or about a democratic peaceful Salvador Allende being killed in Chile only because he was a socialist (& a democratic one).

The neocons & the Military industry complex never care about these things - They need 1 new war to fight !

And the other party, Al Qaeda & ISIS, one of which cuts people's heads off, has sex slaves & the other flew planes into Twin towers & both have also used chemical weapons. Canada & Germany have denied to blame Assad till the investigation is completed. Russia has suspended Air Safety deal, anytime a plane could get shot ! Warmongers seriously !

The neocons & the Military industrial complex are obviously still terrible, now more than ever with such a militaristic president in charge. But we shouldn't have supported Saddam using lethal chemical weapons either.

Given that Russia was warned & evacuated everything beforehand, this "strike" was just for show and suspending the Air deal is unnecessary aggression on their part.

And lol @ comparing nonlethal pepper spray with literally gassing kids. Lethal chemical weapons should not be tolerated anywhere. What we need domestically is some gun control, but that's virtually a lost cause...

I didn't make any comment about gassing kids etc so I will totally ignore the irrelevant last para.

IMO it is pretty native to believe that this will be a deterrent for Assad who is also fighting for his survival & empire when the US has been arming rebels to overthrow & kill Assad. It was a stupid thing to do for him when he already has Aleppo now (assuming the consensus that he did is true). I am also increasing skeptical if this was a 1 shot intervention because the war hawks are out in full force in NBC/CNN & want a massive full on war on Syria to the tune of Iraq. Till now there is not even a god damn international investigation to pin this on Assad, no international coalition etc which should be the 1st priority rather than unilateral strikes again.

Nuclear, biological, killing of civilians etc are also war crimes & children were getting butchered,maimed,bombed every day, women were raped & turned into sex slaves & many heinous war crimes committed daily & now there is a chemical attack & all hell breaks lose. The true left & non-interventionist Republicans like MT-Treasurer shouldn't support put party affiliation or idol to get into stupid devastating wars.
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« Reply #241 on: April 07, 2017, 11:46:15 AM »

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« Reply #242 on: April 07, 2017, 11:48:50 AM »


So we just wasted $100,000,000 and stuck our forks where they didn't belong on theatrics. Great.

"What ever happened to the element of surprise?!?!"
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« Reply #243 on: April 07, 2017, 11:50:32 AM »

   Would love to see an ISIS statement praising Trump for this.  Maybe announcing that their forces stand in readiness to help the US overthrow the infidel Alawite Christian loving Baathist Assad dictator.
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« Reply #244 on: April 07, 2017, 12:00:34 PM »




Sen. Lindsey Graham says he supports putting 5,000-7,000 American troops in the ground in Syria to help take down Assad.
https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/850380623709655041
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« Reply #245 on: April 07, 2017, 12:02:08 PM »

   Not too surprising that Graham is front and center in the Syria intervention camp.
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« Reply #246 on: April 07, 2017, 12:09:09 PM »

The use of chemical weapons must not be normalized. I believe he saw those pictures of those kids and it affected him. The same part of him that saved that old lady's mortgage back in 1986. A part of him that rarely comes out, yet is the only redeeming part of him, that we'll need to lean on, badly over the next four to eight years. Good job Trump.

If he actually cared so damn much then perhaps he wouldn't scapegoat and ban Syrian refugees, including Syrian children, from the United States and place Syrians under a travel ban. There's a different motivation here besides compassion. The same applies to the likes of McCain who was happy to let hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children suffer under sanctions in the 1990s and doesn't regret the Iraq War that cost the lives of over 1,000,000 innocent Iraqis.
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« Reply #247 on: April 07, 2017, 12:10:22 PM »

graham doesn't stop talking, there must be a million interviews right now.


Sen. John McCain says last night's strikes were covered under both the Constitution and the 2001 AUMF.

He said Syria broke international law w/ chemical attacks. "Anybody who believes that we shouldn't respond to that, I have no use for them."

https://twitter.com/LoopEmma/status/850380534312292352
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« Reply #248 on: April 07, 2017, 12:13:54 PM »

graham doesn't stop talking, there must be a million interviews right now.


Sen. John McCain says last night's strikes were covered under both the Constitution and the 2001 AUMF.

He said Syria broke international law w/ chemical attacks. "Anybody who believes that we shouldn't respond to that, I have no use for them."

https://twitter.com/LoopEmma/status/850380534312292352


The Walking Tumor and the Bloodthirsty Old Queen are the last people we should be consulting for sound foreign policy. The former said we'd be in Iraq for a few months tops and then later, when proven wrong, bragged about how we should stay there for 100 years if need be; the latter just likes bombing things so people won't think he's a big ol' bossy bottom.
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« Reply #249 on: April 07, 2017, 12:14:39 PM »

   Not too surprising that Graham is front and center in the Syria intervention camp.

Bloodthirsty Lindsey is proof that Donald Trump wasn't the worst Republican we could be having as president right now.
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