Should pre-op transgender men be allowed to go topless?

[nclib]

Option 3 certainly, but I'd be interested in seeing arguments for 1 and 2.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Nobody should be topless or nude in public period. The only people who want this are weirdos.

[DC Al Fine]

Nobody should be topless or nude in public period.

Agreed, the problem is that we are too generous to men on the issue, not that we aren't generous  enough with women.

[Intell]

Nobody should be topless or nude in public period.

Agreed, the problem is that we are too generous to men on the issue, not that we aren't generous  enough with women.

amen.

[Mr. Smith]

Nobody should be topless or nude in public period. The only people who want this are weirdos.

[Antonio the Sixth]

It depends of the place (and that's why this actually is an issue that's best left to local authorities than to federal or even State laws), but there should be no gender discrimination, so option 3 and what Sanchez said are the only two acceptable choices.

[LLR]

No, that's indecent exposure.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

Option 3 certainly, but I'd be interested in seeing arguments for 1 and 2.

[politicallefty]

My issue is that some fat men are allowed to go topless, many of whom have bigger boobs than their wives. If large-breasted cis-gendered men are allowed to go topless, so should anyone else. However, if there are to be laws on this subject, they should be without respect to gender. If there is to be a law against being topless, it should apply to everyone.

[White Trash]

Nobody should be topless or nude in public period.

Agreed, the problem is that we are too generous to men on the issue, not that we aren't generous  enough with women.

amen.

Preach.

[Rjjr77]

My issue is that some fat men are allowed to go topless, many of whom have bigger boobs than their wives. If large-breasted cis-gendered men are allowed to go topless, so should anyone else. However, if there are to be laws on this subject, they should be without respect to gender. If there is to be a law against being topless, it should apply to everyone.

The issue with toplessness isn't about the size of breasts, male or female...

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I'm not against nude beaches/private naturalism. Just not on Tennessee Street.

[Associate Justice PiT]

It depends of the place (and that's why this actually is an issue that's best left to local authorities than to federal or even State laws), but there should be no gender discrimination, so option 3 and what Sanchez said are the only two acceptable choices.

     I agree with this. Having different legal standards for the conduct of men and women is illiberal policy, and such legal distinctions drawn between equal members of the liberal society ought not exist.

[politicallefty]

My issue is that some fat men are allowed to go topless, many of whom have bigger boobs than their wives. If large-breasted cis-gendered men are allowed to go topless, so should anyone else. However, if there are to be laws on this subject, they should be without respect to gender. If there is to be a law against being topless, it should apply to everyone.

The issue with toplessness isn't about the size of breasts, male or female...

I didn't say it was, but what is the logical reason why the law says women must cover up while men have no such restriction?

[Rjjr77]

My issue is that some fat men are allowed to go topless, many of whom have bigger boobs than their wives. If large-breasted cis-gendered men are allowed to go topless, so should anyone else. However, if there are to be laws on this subject, they should be without respect to gender. If there is to be a law against being topless, it should apply to everyone.

The issue with toplessness isn't about the size of breasts, male or female...

I didn't say it was, but what is the logical reason why the law says women must cover up while men have no such restriction?

The reason in place has long been considered a "modesty" aspect. Women's breasts are different than men's in both function and fashion, and as such are seen differently.

Double standards exist, for both men and women.

[politicallefty]

The reason in place has long been considered a "modesty" aspect. Women's breasts are different than men's in both function and fashion, and as such are seen differently.

Double standards exist, for both men and women.

I asked for a logical reason. That is not a logical reason. Many places don't even allow for the function of women's breasts in public. I'm well-aware of double-standards in law, double-standards that benefit men over women of course. Once again, I ask for a logical reason for such laws, not social conservative pretence.

[Rjjr77]

The reason in place has long been considered a "modesty" aspect. Women's breasts are different than men's in both function and fashion, and as such are seen differently.

Double standards exist, for both men and women.

I asked for a logical reason. That is not a logical reason. Many places don't even allow for the function of women's breasts in public. I'm well-aware of double-standards in law, double-standards that benefit men over women of course. Once again, I ask for a logical reason for such laws, not social conservative pretence.

There are double standards that benefit women over men as well. Double standards are going to exist, because men and women are not the same, there are differences.

Again just because something is shared by social conservatives, doesn't make it illogical.

Public nudity is both a hygiene and moral hazard in the minds of most. Despite the morality issues (young children etc.) public nudity also leads to hygiene issues, as well as other concerns from exposure (injury for example)

[courts]

uh... i guess no. i don't really want to live near that. but maybe at the beach or something. just as long as i don't have to see it.

[courts]

The reason in place has long been considered a "modesty" aspect. Women's breasts are different than men's in both function and fashion, and as such are seen differently.

Double standards exist, for both men and women.

I asked for a logical reason. That is not a logical reason. Many places don't even allow for the function of women's breasts in public. I'm well-aware of double-standards in law, double-standards that benefit men over women of course. Once again, I ask for a logical reason for such laws, not social conservative pretence.

There are double standards that benefit women over men as well. Double standards are going to exist, because men and women are not the same, there are differences.

Again just because something is shared by social conservatives, doesn't make it illogical.

Public nudity is both a hygiene and moral hazard in the minds of most. Despite the morality issues (young children etc.) public nudity also leads to hygiene issues, as well as other concerns from exposure (injury for example)

great post, stick around.

[Beet]

This is definitely the critical political question of 2017. I say we put Congress on hold until this existential crisis is resolved immediately.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

Public nudity is both a hygiene and moral hazard in the minds of most. Despite the morality issues (young children etc.) public nudity also leads to hygiene issues, as well as other concerns from exposure (injury for example)

I guess we should all dress as Haredi Jews, it's the only way to protect ourselves from viruses (viri?) and bacteria.

[Lechasseur]

Nobody should be topless or nude in public period.

Agreed, the problem is that we are too generous to men on the issue, not that we aren't generous  enough with women.

This

[Rjjr77]

Public nudity is both a hygiene and moral hazard in the minds of most. Despite the morality issues (young children etc.) public nudity also leads to hygiene issues, as well as other concerns from exposure (injury for example)

I guess we should all dress as Haredi Jews, it's the only way to protect ourselves from viruses (viri?) and bacteria.

Not what I'm saying at all but nice appeal to ridicule

[Goldwater]

Public nudity is both a hygiene and moral hazard in the minds of most. Despite the morality issues (young children etc.) public nudity also leads to hygiene issues, as well as other concerns from exposure (injury for example)

Would these same hygienic issues apply to men, though?

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Perhaps more interestingly, what about transgender women? At what stage during HRT does a manly, viewable, non-pixel requiring chest become the boobs that would clearly scar the minds of children?