The TrumpCare comes back from the dead (...and lives!) thread

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

The House will fall in line..  They've already voted for a bill, the ads are already going to be run no matter what.  They have nothing to lose now.

The moderates, yes. But the freedom caucus doesn't care about electoral stuff. All of them are in Uber-safe districts that want to see people dying in the street.

[Brittain33]

The House will fall in line..  They've already voted for a bill, the ads are already going to be run no matter what.  They have nothing to lose now.

The moderates, yes. But the freedom caucus doesn't care about electoral stuff. All of them are in Uber-safe districts that want to see people dying in the street.

I expect that *something* will pass Congress, either this year or next. No one wants to own failure—including the HFC—and their negotiation cards have an expiration date.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Some real breaking news. Freedom Caucus chair working with Senate Rs on their health care repeal
https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/861654692044079104

[GeorgiaModerate]

HuffPo/YouGov poll on the new AHCA: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ahca-health-care-poll_us_59109a87e4b0e7021e99b049?64h

31% Favor
44% Oppose
25% Unsure

The previous version was 24/45/31 on March 17, and 21/52/27 on March 27.

[Virginiá]

So sad that we have Senators who are fine with big cuts to programs like Medicaid (which actually help millions of people) to (allegedly) reduce the debt, only to take the saved money and funnel it into tax cuts for people/organizations that do not need it. The result is that people who actually need help aren't helped, and not only is the debt not positively impacted, but probably goes up even faster due to the implementation of failed economic ideas under the guise of trying to enable faster growth.

Oh well. In the end, it is Republicans, not Democrats, who will have to explain to voters why they gave away their Medicaid funding just to put billions of dollars into the pockets of people who need it least of anyone.

[Hindsight was 2020]

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Told you all

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I should point out that my family, which lives mostly on investments, is currently in a state of repressed panic about the implications that this will have for our health, our savings, and our future. If we're in this position, how much worse must it be for the poor and vulnerable?

[All Along The Watchtower]

I should point out that my family, which lives mostly on investments, is currently in a state of repressed panic about the implications that this will have for our health, our savings, and our future. If we're in this position, how much worse must it be for the poor and vulnerable?

Well "the poor and vulnerable" should have thought about that before they made the irresponsible decision to not be rich Makers (TM). Because anyone can be a rich Maker (TM).




But yeah, this is a seriously f**ked up, cruel, arguably sadistic piece of sh*t legislation that will obviously have direct consequences that will be nothing less than sadistic for tens of millions of people should it become law. How anyone who is not a legit sociopath can possibly support this is beyond me.

[All Along The Watchtower]

The Senate will draft a much, much better bill. 

The same Senate that made ACA worse?

[GeorgiaModerate]

New Q poll shows 21/56 approval for the current version of the AHCA: https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2457

Lots more in the poll, including Trump's proposed tax plan.

[Antonio the Sixth]

New Q poll shows 21/56 approval for the current version of the AHCA: https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2457

Lots more in the poll, including Trump's proposed tax plan.

If this bill passes, would it be the most unpopular major piece of legislation in modern history? I still have trouble believing Republicans would dare.

[Indy Texas]

How are all those 50-64 year old Republicans, whose premiums have been effectively "subsidized" by younger people paying more, going to react when they see their insurance costs go up?

[Hammy]

How are all those 50-64 year old Republicans, whose premiums have been effectively "subsidized" by younger people paying more, going to react when they see their insurance costs go up?

No doubt they'll try to blame Obamacare, claiming they're some lingering effects of it.

[Badger]

New Q poll shows 21/56 approval for the current version of the AHCA: https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2457

Lots more in the poll, including Trump's proposed tax plan.

If this bill passes, would it be the most unpopular major piece of legislation in modern history? I still have trouble believing Republicans would dare.

I question that. Heller is really the only Bonafide vulnerable Republican in the Senate right now. Flake might be if things start approaching a reverse 2010 or 2014 tsunami. Beyond that the Republicans up next year vote for the sick to be processed into Soylent Green and still win a healthy reelection.

In the house, yes there will be some casualties in the remaining few swing districts, but gerrymandering is so pervasive that Republicans supporting this widely unpopular measure will still carry a majority of seats next year oh, I'll be at by A reduced margin

[The Other Castro]

"House May Be Forced to Vote Again on GOP's Obamacare Repeal Bill"

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https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-18/house-may-be-forced-to-vote-again-on-gop-s-obamacare-repeal-bill

[ApatheticAustrian]

There's a chance the House would have to VOTE AGAIN on #AHCA, depending on what CBO says.

<-- karma

[Antonio the Sixth]

"House May Be Forced to Vote Again on GOP's Obamacare Repeal Bill"

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https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-18/house-may-be-forced-to-vote-again-on-gop-s-obamacare-repeal-bill

Hahahahaha.

[The_Doctor]

I don't think they can win a second House vote. The number of bombshells in the Ten Day Massacre have made it too politically toxic to repeal ObamaCare on top of defending Donald Trump. I think the Ten Day Massacre makes it extremely difficult. They need to pick and choose; defend Trump or repeal ObamaCare.

If CBO kills the bill, Ryan gives up.

The GOP should go back to the drawing board, pick a good plan that can command bipartisan support, and then claim all the credit for reforming the law. This is not the time to try an ideological plan; just go for a plan that limits the expansion and cleans up the law.

[Yank2133]

I don't think they can win a second House vote. The number of bombshells in the Ten Day Massacre have made it too politically toxic to repeal ObamaCare on top of defending Donald Trump. I think the Ten Day Massacre makes it extremely difficult. They need to pick and choose; defend Trump or repeal ObamaCare.

If CBO kills the bill, Ryan gives up.

The GOP should go back to the drawing board, pick a good plan that can command bipartisan support, and then claim all the credit for reforming the law. This is not the time to try an ideological plan; just go for a plan that limits the expansion and cleans up the law.

This is something they should have done from the start. Put a liberal healthcare policy expert and a conservative one in the same room and have them hash out a deal and call it day.

[7,052,770]

Cruz is doing violence to the phrase "bending the cost curve" by claiming that expanded Medicaid enrollment is responsible for higher health care costs.

Kicking a large group of relatively young and healthy people off Medicaid is an extremely inefficient way to reduce government spending on healthcare. People do tend to use more services when they have insurance, but on the whole these are not costly enrollees. But "bending the cost curve" refers to total health care spending, not just those costs borne by public insurance.

I guess he means that because Medicaid pays very low reimbursements that docs can't negotiate, and because docs and hospitals are now seeing more low-payment Medicaid members, they're raising their prices on everyone else to make up the difference.

He may not be totally wrong in saying that (would vary a lot by state and region and doesn't address the fact that premium hikes are a lot worse in the non-Medicaid Expansion states), but as a Senator, he could draft legislation giving more funds to CMS and directing them to raise Medicare and Medicaid payment rates, which would allow hospitals to lower the burdens on the insured.

Of course he's not going to do that because he's an insincere showboat con-man, but he is whining about a problem that he has the power to fix.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Yeah if Medicaid gets cut and a bunch of people are kicked off it, and those people now go to the ER, the hospital gets paid nothing. Hard to see how that would help anyone.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Yeah if Medicaid gets cut and a bunch of people are kicked off it, and those people now go to the ER, the hospital gets paid nothing. Hard to see how that would help anyone.

Because freedumb dammit

[7,052,770]

Yeah if Medicaid gets cut and a bunch of people are kicked off it, and those people now go to the ER, the hospital gets paid nothing. Hard to see how that would help anyone.

Agreed entirely on ER costs. But an uninsured person can't get chemo or cancer treatments at an ER, but of they're on Medicaid they will, although at a lower payment rate, so hospitals can hurt if they have a lot of cancer patients on Expanded Medicaid.

Not that I advocate pulling Medicaid away to let cancer payments just die and save money like Scumbag Ted wants, but there is some cost there to hospitals of Medicaid paying lower rates that's passed on to the insured

[The Other Castro]

Rep. Tom MacArthur has resigned his leadership post from the Tuesday Group due to the divisions among its members regarding the AHCA.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Rep. Tom MacArthur has resigned his leadership post from the Tuesday Group due to the divisions among its members regarding the AHCA.

...is this good or bad for the bill's prospects?