Reunification of the Southeast Bill

[Joe Republic]

At least our government does not cancel elections due to rampant inactivity.

For the last time, please check your facts first.  They were 'postponed', not 'canceled'.  And the inactivity was far beyond my control.  It differs from you and StatesRights because your actions were deliberately reckless.

They were postponed to the next scheduled election. ie, cancelled.

Then this is an argument about semantics.

And I've already defended my actions.  At the risk of threadjacking, what's yours again?

[True Democrat]

Also, this could encourage carpetbagging to certain states just to chage their regions (like other states the Dixie Union Caucus wants).

Says the person who moved from PA to MT to run for Senate

We have been over this.  I moved to MT before I realized I wanted to run for Senate.  I wanted to move the Pacific just to run for Senate, why would I have moved to a state that was going to join the midwest soon?

[DanielX]

My $.02:

There's no good reason to do this. Of course, there's only one bad reason: it'll puff up the Southeast's ego.

I'm leaning nay.

[Jake]

Then this is an argument about semantics.

And I've already defended my actions.  At the risk of threadjacking, what's yours again?

My what? action, defense...

[Colin]

There are 8 people from Virginia. So far it's 3-1 but Umengus, nickshepDEM, Ben and thefactor(Beet) haven't said anything yet.

To my knowledge nickshepDEM and thefactor are actually from Maryland -in real life.  As for Umengus, he is a foreign transplant who doesn't actually live here.

So there are actually five forum members who live in Virginia-

myself, Ben, AuH2O, A18 (Philip), and MHS2002.     

Are you seriously saying that we deny citizens inalienable rights just because they don't live in that state in real life? Why should it matter if they are real life Virginians or not we are not in America we are in Atlasia and you should get that through you thick skull. Would you be willing to, in real life, not be allowed to vote in state elections because you were not born in that state? This is pure idiocy of the highest kind. This smells of fascism and unconstitutionality. Why should AuH20 get a vote when he is not even a registered voter while registered voters like Umengus and nickshepDEM are being denied their right as Atlasian citizens? This is an outrage and it's intent, by this backer of the said bill, is nothing more than tomake the vote easier for the pro-Southeasterns to win while disregarding the rights and the votes of other Virginians. I know that almost all of the supporters of this bill would like it to be carried out, if passed, in a civil, lawful and orderly manner but comments like this are nothing more than discrimination against other Atlasians in order for your agenda to be more easily implemented. I am sorry if I offended any of the supporters of this bill, many of whom I regard in the highest manner, but I feel that this is nothing more than one citizen suggesting that the rights of another citizen should be taken away which is something I just cannot stand for.

I'm looking through Frodo's posts, and I don't see where he wants to deny those registered in Virginia the right to vote in any election that would involve Virginia switching regions. Perhaps you  should read the post before going postal on his ass.

I was told by another Senator through IM that he was saying that only native Virginians be allowed to vote. I, being the idiot that I am, didn't read through the post thoroughly before posting it. So I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.

Although I do reserve the right to go postal on anybodies ass whenever I feel like it.

[Joe Republic]

Then this is an argument about semantics.

And I've already defended my actions.  At the risk of threadjacking, what's yours again?

My what? action, defense...

Your defense for your actions as Southeast Magistrate during the Civil War 'crisis', of course.  Though if you're feeling generous you could remind us all of your actions too.

Actually here isn't the place for that.  I hate it when I blatantly hijack threads.

[Emsworth]

Here's a precis of the Senators' attitudes on the bill so far:

In favor/ Allow Virginia to decide
- Sam Spade
- MHS2002
- PBrunsel

Opposed
- Gabu
- Colin Wixted
- MasterJedi
- True Independent
- DanielX

Unclear
- King

Assuming that the individual elected in the special election this weekend favors the bill, and assuming that King favors the bill, the Senate is tied 5-5.

[Gabu]

Here's a precis of the Senators' attitudes on the bill so far:

In favor/ Allow Virginia to decide
- Sam Spade
- MHS2002
- PBrunsel

Opposed
- Gabu
- Colin Wixted
- MasterJedi
- True Independent
- DanielX

Unclear
- King

I would say that I'm more undecided at the time.  I would prefer to hear what the Virginians have to think and consider all of the arguments from both sides before making up my mind.

[Ebowed]

I think it's funny that Joe Republic doesn't want to lose Virginia but supports abolishing the Midwest.

Actually if you look at it, that is my way of a compromise.  I support merging the Midwest and Mideast (or most of them at least), which would as a side effect put Virginia, West Virginia AND Kentucky in the Southeast.

I thought you said that I have "never been open about the idea" of giving VA to the SE?  Clearly that shows that I am.

That's not a very good compromise-- right now, you don't want Virginians to decide what region they should be in, and it looks like you don't think the Midwest should decide its fate either.

And I retract my statement that you were never open about the idea of giving VA to the Southeast.

[Ebowed]

Also, this could encourage carpetbagging to certain states just to chage their regions (like other states the Dixie Union Caucus wants).

Says the person who moved from PA to MT to run for Senate

We have been over this.  I moved to MT before I realized I wanted to run for Senate.  I wanted to move the Pacific just to run for Senate, why would I have moved to a state that was going to join the midwest soon?

According to several, including Keystone Phil, running for Senate was mentioned immediately after you moved to Montana.

[MasterJedi]

Here's a precis of the Senators' attitudes on the bill so far:

In favor/ Allow Virginia to decide
- Sam Spade
- MHS2002
- PBrunsel

Opposed
- Gabu
- Colin Wixted
- MasterJedi
- True Independent
- DanielX

Unclear
- King

I would say that I'm more undecided at the time.  I would prefer to hear what the Virginians have to think and consider all of the arguments from both sides before making up my mind.

King told me he's for it and PBrunsel said he was unclear earlier so it's something like this:

For
-Sam Spade
-King
-MHS2002

Against
-MasterJedi
-True Ind.
-ColinWixted
-DanielX

Undecided
-PBrunsel
-Gabu

[Joe Republic]

That's not a very good compromise-- right now, you don't want Virginians to decide what region they should be in, and it looks like you don't think the Midwest should decide its fate either.

Actually I'm more than willing to hear what the Virginians feel about this issue - I just think that we should look much more deeply into any poll than simply asking 'yes or no'.  My earlier posts should hopefully explain this better.

As for the Midwest - I support the idea of a merger in theory.  But as none of the Midwesterners seem interested in it at all, that's where the issue ends as far as I'm concerned.

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Thank you.

[Emsworth]

King told me he's for it and PBrunsel said he was unclear earlier

I think that PBrunsel said that the People of Virginia should be allowed to decide, so I counted him as being in favor.

[MasterJedi]

King told me he's for it and PBrunsel said he was unclear earlier

I think that PBrunsel said that the People of Virginia should be allowed to decide, so I counted him as being in favor.

I think he did but I'm also pretty sure he said he was undecided.

[Gabu]

King told me he's for it and PBrunsel said he was unclear earlier

I think that PBrunsel said that the People of Virginia should be allowed to decide, so I counted him as being in favor.

I think he did but I'm also pretty sure he said he was undecided.

Here's the relevant quote:

I'm on the fense with this one. I would prefer if the people of Virgina would vote on it though.

[King]

I am for it, but would rather have a 4 region proposal.

[Beet]

The Mideast region would be totally decimated by this proposal, and by the philosophy behind it since the Mideast was not really drawn based on historical lines anyway. I'm against it.

[Gabu]

The Mideast region would be totally decimated by this proposal, and by the philosophy behind it since the Mideast was not really drawn based on historical lines anyway. I'm against it.

Okay, so that puts it at... what, 2 Virginians in favor and 2 against?

[Ebowed]

3-2 in favor

[Gabu]

3-2 in favor

Oh, right, I forgot about Frodo.

[Jake]

So did Sauron. He'll getcha though

[MODU]

The Mideast region would be totally decimated by this proposal, and by the philosophy behind it since the Mideast was not really drawn based on historical lines anyway. I'm against it.

Exactly.  Like I said earlier (and in other threads too), Virginia is NOT a Southern state any more.  Even NC has brushed off most of the old South in many aspects and embraced the Mid-Atlantic views on issues (in the real world). 

[Emsworth]

Unless there is further debate (from a Senator), this bill is scheduled for a vote at about 9:30 PM EST today.

[MHS2002]

I would like to make a motion to extend debate for 2 days (that's right isn't it?)

[A18]

I'm in favor of this