Warren’s book release and book tour thread UPDATE: Warren on TYT

[Mr. Morden]

I guess her new book (“This Fight Is Our Fight”) comes out on Tuesday.  Post any comments you have on the book in this thread, including anything interesting that comes out of the book tour.

Here are the book tour events that we know about so far:

http://www.goodreads.com/event/list_author/23389.Elizabeth_Warren

Meanwhile, here’s a preview of the book:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2017/04/14/warren-book-policy-focused-work-that-targets-corporations-and-republicans/Du5GT4ORHjwF28MZ8folFJ/story.html

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That whole story's worth a read.

[Mr. Morden]

A conservative PAC is going to shadow Warren while she’s on her book tour.  They’re also working on oppo research for Booker, Cuomo, Gillibrand, Harris, and Sanders:

http://www.politico.com/states/massachusetts/story/2017/04/conservative-pac-training-firepower-on-warren-111273

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[Mr. Morden]

Here's the video of her appearance on the Tonight Show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYK_Idy0mx0

[Mr. Morden]

Warren: Trump’s election victory is partially due to “an ugly stew of racism”:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/329640-warren-trump-win-partially-a-result-of-an-ugly-stew-of-racism

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[Mr. Morden]

Video of Warren's appearance on "The View":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sGzroSMhRw

[Mr. Morden]

Warren was on Real Time last night.  Here's the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX099yxeOdI

At 6:45, Maher jokingly refers to her as "Pocahontas", and she looks annoyed.

[Fuzzy Bear]

"Pocahontas" has become a symbol of liberal phoniness; of ivory-tower liberals who have a theoretical view of working folks that lacks empathy for the real plight of working Americans.  Liberal empathy is reserved for victims of "discrimination" (real and imagined, productive and non-productive, pro-American and anti-American alike), but not for folks who have bought into America, have been loyal to America, but are being oppressed economically, whether they realize it or not.  It's a symbol for liberals that reserve their sympathy for women and minority professionals who can't seem to get the "corner office", but have none for coal miners and factory workers because of their conservative social views.

Liz Warren's personal narrative is actually compelling for working folks, but she's a lesson of how phoniness on the way compromises the message.  Working folks believe that she will choose to advance the causes of liberal bathrooms and quotas for business executives over the bread-and-butter needs of workers.  This is oversimplification, I grant you, but American liberalism stopped being a LABOR movement sometime during the Clinton Administration. 

[Comrade Funk]

"Pocahontas" has become a symbol of liberal phoniness; of ivory-tower liberals who have a theoretical view of working folks that lacks empathy for the real plight of working Americans.  Liberal empathy is reserved for victims of "discrimination" (real and imagined, productive and non-productive, pro-American and anti-American alike), but not for folks who have bought into America, have been loyal to America, but are being oppressed economically, whether they realize it or not.  It's a symbol for liberals that reserve their sympathy for women and minority professionals who can't seem to get the "corner office", but have none for coal miners and factory workers because of their conservative social views.

Liz Warren's personal narrative is actually compelling for working folks, but she's a lesson of how phoniness on the way compromises the message.  Working folks believe that she will choose to advance the causes of liberal bathrooms and quotas for business executives over the bread-and-butter needs of workers.  This is oversimplification, I grant you, but American liberalism stopped being a LABOR movement sometime during the Clinton Administration. 

Can I ask if you think the GOP has become a workers party?

[Holmes]

"Pocahontas" has become a symbol of liberal phoniness; of ivory-tower liberals who have a theoretical view of working folks that lacks empathy for the real plight of working Americans.  Liberal empathy is reserved for victims of "discrimination" (real and imagined, productive and non-productive, pro-American and anti-American alike), but not for folks who have bought into America, have been loyal to America, but are being oppressed economically, whether they realize it or not.  It's a symbol for liberals that reserve their sympathy for women and minority professionals who can't seem to get the "corner office", but have none for coal miners and factory workers because of their conservative social views.

Liz Warren's personal narrative is actually compelling for working folks, but she's a lesson of how phoniness on the way compromises the message.  Working folks believe that she will choose to advance the causes of liberal bathrooms and quotas for business executives over the bread-and-butter needs of workers.  This is oversimplification, I grant you, but American liberalism stopped being a LABOR movement sometime during the Clinton Administration. 

There is a real irony for using the name "Pocahontas" for that.

[Technocracy Timmy]

"Pocahontas" has become a symbol of liberal phoniness; of ivory-tower liberals who have a theoretical view of working folks that lacks empathy for the real plight of working Americans.  Liberal empathy is reserved for victims of "discrimination" (real and imagined, productive and non-productive, pro-American and anti-American alike), but not for folks who have bought into America, have been loyal to America, but are being oppressed economically, whether they realize it or not.  It's a symbol for liberals that reserve their sympathy for women and minority professionals who can't seem to get the "corner office", but have none for coal miners and factory workers because of their conservative social views.

Liz Warren's personal narrative is actually compelling for working folks, but she's a lesson of how phoniness on the way compromises the message.  Working folks believe that she will choose to advance the causes of liberal bathrooms and quotas for business executives over the bread-and-butter needs of workers.  This is oversimplification, I grant you, but American liberalism stopped being a LABOR movement sometime during the Clinton Administration.

The bolded is depressingly true. Although the soft Left can feel complacent with this by demonizing all of these people as racists and xenophobes so that they can keep marching into power to deliver to those on the Google jets and those nice people at Goldman.

[JA]

"Pocahontas" has become a symbol of liberal phoniness; of ivory-tower liberals who have a theoretical view of working folks that lacks empathy for the real plight of working Americans.  Liberal empathy is reserved for victims of "discrimination" (real and imagined, productive and non-productive, pro-American and anti-American alike), but not for folks who have bought into America, have been loyal to America, but are being oppressed economically, whether they realize it or not.  It's a symbol for liberals that reserve their sympathy for women and minority professionals who can't seem to get the "corner office", but have none for coal miners and factory workers because of their conservative social views.

Liz Warren's personal narrative is actually compelling for working folks, but she's a lesson of how phoniness on the way compromises the message.  Working folks believe that she will choose to advance the causes of liberal bathrooms and quotas for business executives over the bread-and-butter needs of workers.  This is oversimplification, I grant you, but American liberalism stopped being a LABOR movement sometime during the Clinton Administration.

The bolded is depressingly true. Although the soft Left can feel complacent with this by demonizing all of these people as racists and xenophobes so that they can keep marching into power to deliver to those on the Google jets and those nice people at Goldman.

The working class as a whole, but perhaps especially the White working class, lacks any legitimate representation from either party. Republicans pander to and exploit them for votes while feeding them racism, xenophobia, and sentimentalist nonsense of "make America great again," while Democrats are completely detached from them geographically and culturally, which often results in Democratic disdain for them. The White working class is best represented through a mix of moderate social conservatism and nationalism, pro-labor policies, and economic liberalism (American context). Trump ran on a platform that had echoes of that but, inevitably, he became a standard Republican whose policies will serve to hurt working class interests. Meanwhile, Democrats are trying to figure out whether they should pursue a strategy of appealing to White college educated voters at the expense of the White working class, or trying to reclaim the most socially detestable group in America (from the perspective of the cultural elite).

[Chief Justice Keef]

Bill Maher is garbage.

[Pyro]

Warren should've gone straight for the jugular when Maher said what he did instead of ignoring it.

If she does plan to run, that is going to be a tagline for the opposition. Warren needs to shut it down and call out how racist of a label that is, and explain how it is a symptom of a larger issue in how we look at race and identity.

[MAINEiac4434]

Bill Maher is garbage.

[Technocracy Timmy]

"Pocahontas" has become a symbol of liberal phoniness; of ivory-tower liberals who have a theoretical view of working folks that lacks empathy for the real plight of working Americans.  Liberal empathy is reserved for victims of "discrimination" (real and imagined, productive and non-productive, pro-American and anti-American alike), but not for folks who have bought into America, have been loyal to America, but are being oppressed economically, whether they realize it or not.  It's a symbol for liberals that reserve their sympathy for women and minority professionals who can't seem to get the "corner office", but have none for coal miners and factory workers because of their conservative social views.

Liz Warren's personal narrative is actually compelling for working folks, but she's a lesson of how phoniness on the way compromises the message.  Working folks believe that she will choose to advance the causes of liberal bathrooms and quotas for business executives over the bread-and-butter needs of workers.  This is oversimplification, I grant you, but American liberalism stopped being a LABOR movement sometime during the Clinton Administration.

The bolded is depressingly true. Although the soft Left can feel complacent with this by demonizing all of these people as racists and xenophobes so that they can keep marching into power to deliver to those on the Google jets and those nice people at Goldman.

The working class as a whole, but perhaps especially the White working class, lacks any legitimate representation from either party. Republicans pander to and exploit them for votes while feeding them racism, xenophobia, and sentimentalist nonsense of "make America great again," while Democrats are completely detached from them geographically and culturally, which often results in Democratic disdain for them. The White working class is best represented through a mix of moderate social conservatism and nationalism, pro-labor policies, and economic liberalism (American context). Trump ran on a platform that had echoes of that but, inevitably, he became a standard Republican whose policies will serve to hurt working class interests. Meanwhile, Democrats are trying to figure out whether they should pursue a strategy of appealing to White college educated voters at the expense of the White working class, or trying to reclaim the most socially detestable group in America (from the perspective of the cultural elite).

Spot on analysis.

Two things:

1. A college degree is still a good measurement when it comes to defining who is working class and who's upper middle class+. However the millennial generation is beginning to blur this line since so many of them with college degrees don't currently have strong career prospects and would still qualify as working class.

2. I think that given how Trump is governing plus Bernie Sanders influence on the Party, they should go after working class whites. I live in Orange County and I just don't see upper middle class whites ever being Democrats in this political environment. Plus educated and upper income people are far more likely to be partisan loyalists than working class whites and are therefore far harder to win over.  

Unfortunately the Democrats don't seem particularly interested in doing the second point. Going further left on economic issues is just too risky in their minds especially given their big money donor base. I think 2018 and 2020 is gonna be ugly for them and that they won't have a singular vision until 2022/2024.

[mencken]

Warren should've gone straight for the jugular when Maher said what he did instead of ignoring it.

If she does plan to run, that is going to be a tagline for the opposition. Warren needs to shut it down and call out how racist of a label that is, and explain how it is a symptom of a larger issue in how we look at race and identity.

Yeah, gratuitous accusations of racism will really show her opponents the error of their ways.

[JA]

Technocratic Timmy,

I'm glad you caught that mistake of mine wherein I assumed a college degree signified a person's class. A degree doesn't simply equal class status, but politically speaking it's perhaps a better way of analyzing divisions within the White voting population than class itself.

Unfortunately, I don't see Democrats finding their voice for a while, like you said. They're too dependent on wealthy financial interests and identifying with the cultural elite to pursue an economic program and populist message that'd make sufficient inroads into the non-college educated, working class White population. At the same time, upper class White voters simply won't swing to the Democrats enough to compensate for their losses with other groups. People forget that even college educated Whites still voted for Trump over Clinton.

Democrats will likely be able to ride an anti-Trump wave in 2018, but when they have to run a candidate against him directly and find a more coherent message than "Trump is bad," they'll really suffer. All these people encouraging Democrats to focus on Southern states trending D at the expense of Midwestern states are encouraging their defeat. Democrats have a far better chance of reclaiming Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, than they have of winning even one of the states of Georgia, Texas, or Arizona.

[Famous Mortimer]

Warren should've gone straight for the jugular when Maher said what he did instead of ignoring it.

If she does plan to run, that is going to be a tagline for the opposition. Warren needs to shut it down and call out how racist of a label that is, and explain how it is a symptom of a larger issue in how we look at race and identity.

Making false claims of racism isn't going to help a Democrat get elected.

[Fuzzy Bear]

"Pocahontas" has become a symbol of liberal phoniness; of ivory-tower liberals who have a theoretical view of working folks that lacks empathy for the real plight of working Americans.  Liberal empathy is reserved for victims of "discrimination" (real and imagined, productive and non-productive, pro-American and anti-American alike), but not for folks who have bought into America, have been loyal to America, but are being oppressed economically, whether they realize it or not.  It's a symbol for liberals that reserve their sympathy for women and minority professionals who can't seem to get the "corner office", but have none for coal miners and factory workers because of their conservative social views.

Liz Warren's personal narrative is actually compelling for working folks, but she's a lesson of how phoniness on the way compromises the message.  Working folks believe that she will choose to advance the causes of liberal bathrooms and quotas for business executives over the bread-and-butter needs of workers.  This is oversimplification, I grant you, but American liberalism stopped being a LABOR movement sometime during the Clinton Administration. 

It's hard to take this post seriously considering how gigantic of a fraud the leader of your part is

Yes, the "blue collar billionaire" who ran 3000 small local businesses into bankruptcy by stiffing them is truly the honest genuine one here

How about just the highlighted part?  Pretend I'm a Democrat for a minute.  Is the highlighted part wrong?

[Fuzzy Bear]

Technocratic Timmy,

I'm glad you caught that mistake of mine wherein I assumed a college degree signified a person's class. A degree doesn't simply equal class status, but politically speaking it's perhaps a better way of analyzing divisions within the White voting population than class itself.

Unfortunately, I don't see Democrats finding their voice for a while, like you said. They're too dependent on wealthy financial interests and identifying with the cultural elite to pursue an economic program and populist message that'd make sufficient inroads into the non-college educated, working class White population. At the same time, upper class White voters simply won't swing to the Democrats enough to compensate for their losses with other groups. People forget that even college educated Whites still voted for Trump over Clinton.

Democrats will likely be able to ride an anti-Trump wave in 2018, but when they have to run a candidate against him directly and find a more coherent message than "Trump is bad," they'll really suffer. All these people encouraging Democrats to focus on Southern states trending D at the expense of Midwestern states are encouraging their defeat. Democrats have a far better chance of reclaiming Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, than they have of winning even one of the states of Georgia, Texas, or Arizona.

Very true, indeed.

The Democrats would be lucky to recapture Florida and hold Virginia.  I don't know that they'll take Georgia, or even North Carolina, until demographic changes take their course.  Same with Arizona. 

[Fuzzy Bear]

Warren should've gone straight for the jugular when Maher said what he did instead of ignoring it.

If she does plan to run, that is going to be a tagline for the opposition. Warren needs to shut it down and call out how racist of a label that is, and explain how it is a symptom of a larger issue in how we look at race and identity.

The Pocahontas label has nothing to do with racism.  It has everything to do with being phony.  It compared Warren to Rachel Dolezal.  An unfair comparision, since Warren was only a poser, while Dolezal is a full-bore basket case, but Liz Warren posed as a Native American to gain business advantage, but had no documentation of her heritage.  Maybe it's true that she was told this growing up, but she got caught "posing", and people don't like posers and phonies.

Here's something else I found out:  Liz Warren was a Republican until 1995, when she became a Democrat.  (I switched from Democrat to Republican in registration that year, so I guess it was a fair trade.)  She talks the populist talk, but she comes off as an ivory-tower social liberal who will push the social issues and drop the economic ones.  OSHA may fade away, but Warren will ensure my right to use my bathroom of choice. 

Is some of this satire?  Yes, I agree.  Is this how many critical voters that the Democrats need (and used to count as supporters) view Liz Warren?  Yes, it is.  Is this good for the Democrats?  Maybe.  Is this good for working people?  Definitely not.

[Beet]

Warren should've gone straight for the jugular when Maher said what he did instead of ignoring it.

If she does plan to run, that is going to be a tagline for the opposition. Warren needs to shut it down and call out how racist of a label that is, and explain how it is a symptom of a larger issue in how we look at race and identity.

No she should have just laughed it off and said, "This is what they talk about because they don't want to admit they are screwing over the country."

[136or142]

Any reason why I should care what Bill Maher said?

[136or142]

Warren should've gone straight for the jugular when Maher said what he did instead of ignoring it.

If she does plan to run, that is going to be a tagline for the opposition. Warren needs to shut it down and call out how racist of a label that is, and explain how it is a symptom of a larger issue in how we look at race and identity.

The Pocahontas label has nothing to do with racism.  It has everything to do with being phony.  It compared Warren to Rachel Dolezal.  An unfair comparision, since Warren was only a poser, while Dolezal is a full-bore basket case, but Liz Warren posed as a Native American to gain business advantage, but had no documentation of her heritage.  Maybe it's true that she was told this growing up, but she got caught "posing", and people don't like posers and phonies.

Obviously a lot of people like posers and phonies as 63 million people voted for Donald Trump, including you.  But then, you're a moron, so that may explain it.

[136or142]

I don't know if this is the right thread for this, but Maher's interview does lead me to a question?

Why does conservative labeling seem to stick so much more?

Even the supposedly liberal Maher references Elizabeth Warren as 'Pocahontas' yet, I doubt any conservative refers to President Trump as 'deranged Donald' or anything like that.

When people want to reference a politician lying, they still quote Bill Clinton "I did not have sex with that woman" and not George W Bush lying over Iraq "We know Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction because we know where they are." (The last person I heard use that was Alex Jones several years ago.)

And,  also in this interview, Bill Maher referred to Trump voters as 'the real Americans.'  He did use air quotes at the same time, but, as opposed to what, fake Americans?

Also, I'm probably wrong, but with Maher, who knows.  I think he called Elizabeth Warren "Pocahoney."