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Mr. Reactionary
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« on: April 17, 2017, 02:29:37 PM »

Wait ... did I sleep through some constitutional amendment that says people with abhorrent views no longer have the right to free speech? Because even assuming these rightwingers are unrepentant Nazis, I don't see why that precludes them from having a free speech rally.
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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2017, 04:31:56 PM »

     Germany shows us why it isn't enough to simply have words that say free speech exists; you need courts that are willing to enforce these provisions and people willing to stand for these rights, as we are fortunate enough to have in the United States.

Yeah, I mean in the 1800s demanding the immediate uncompensated liberation of slaves technically "infringed upon the rights of others". To convict someone of a crime here there typically needs to be both a guilty mind (mens rea) AND a guilty act (actus reus). I can think and say I want to genocide the furries, but until i take an active step to do so, no one's rights have been infringed and no act has occurred. Thought crime is an evil concept.
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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2017, 06:17:31 PM »

Wait ... did I sleep through some constitutional amendment that says people with abhorrent views no longer have the right to free speech? Because even assuming these rightwingers are unrepentant Nazis, I don't see why that precludes them from having a free speech rally.

looks like a free speech rally to me. ah yes, the noble nazi salute, that free speech symbol.

funny how every symbol of free speech seems to be a swastika or an apartheid south africa flag but when the red flag is flown it's a symbol of authoritarianism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromberg_v._California

"Stromberg v. California was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court ruled 7–2 that a 1919 California law banning red flags was unconstitutional because it violated the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution. "

I don't see what your point is. If this had been advertised as a free speech rally and people brought red flags and burned American flags and chanted death to America, it would still be a free speech rally.
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