Slave Trade is booming in Libya since Gaddafi has been overthrown

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UN migration agency says selling of people is rife in African nation that has slid into violent chaos since overthrow of Gaddafi. West African migrants are being bought and sold openly in modern-day slave markets in Libya, survivors have told a UN agency helping them return home.

Trafficked people passing through Libya have previously reported violence, extortion and slave labour. But the new testimony from the International Organization for Migration suggests that the trade in human beings has become so normalised that people are being traded in public. “The latest reports of ‘slave markets’ for migrants can be added to a long list of outrages [in Libya],” said Mohammed Abdiker, IOM’s head of operation and emergencies. “The situation is dire. The more IOM engages inside Libya, the more we learn that it is a vale of tears for all too many migrants.”

Men who lingered there too long without the ransom being paid were taken away and killed, he said. Some wasted away on meagre rations in unsanitary conditions, dying of hunger and disease, but overall numbers never fell.

Full Article - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/10/libya-public-slave-auctions-un-migration

[Zioneer]

Counterpoint on the inevitable "we shouldn't have overthrown Gaddafi": We could have developed some sort of Marshall Plan-esque fund to rebuild the country, contingent on the cessation of violence and a unity government, and provided incentives for the militias to stand down. That would have prevented the slave trade and second civil war.

My main disagreement with the handling of Libya is that we didn't do enough, and basically abandoned it after Gaddafi was removed. Did we abandon Germany or Japan when their empires had been destroyed? No, we rebuilt them, and made them stronger than ever.

[Santander]

My main disagreement with the handling of Libya is that we didn't do enough, and basically abandoned it after Gaddafi was removed. Did we abandon Germany or Japan when their empires had been destroyed? No, we rebuilt them, and made them stronger than ever.

But there was something to rebuild Germany and Japan to. Libya is basically a modern political construct - what would you rebuild it to, some generic Berber/Arab state? What would that even look like?

[Shadows]

Counterpoint on the inevitable "we shouldn't have overthrown Gaddafi": We could have developed some sort of Marshall Plan-esque fund to rebuild the country, contingent on the cessation of violence and a unity government, and provided incentives for the militias to stand down. That would have prevented the slave trade and second civil war.

My main disagreement with the handling of Libya is that we didn't do enough, and basically abandoned it after Gaddafi was removed. Did we abandon Germany or Japan when their empires had been destroyed? No, we rebuilt them, and made them stronger than ever.

Not very relevant, Germany was split into 2 & the country was essentially destroyed, there was no civil war & no radical extremists & you could build a nation for decades with help from UK, France etc. 15 years in Afghanistan & 10 years in Iraq haven't solved anything, Iraq is a total mess. Libya with already some extremist Jehadi presence with ISIS around was Ground 0 for the rise !

Japan is actually the opposite case - Emperor Hirohito was the one who did the barbaric acts, wars & killings but he was neither sentenced to death, nor punished for his war crimes. US specifically insisted that General Hirohito, the butcher, war criminal & murderer remain as the Emperor & he continued for decades - This was a guy 1000 times worse than Gaddafi & Saddam combined & almost as bad as Hitler & Mussolini & there was no regime change of this basta*d!

[Pericles]

Counterpoint on the inevitable "we shouldn't have overthrown Gaddafi": We could have developed some sort of Marshall Plan-esque fund to rebuild the country, contingent on the cessation of violence and a unity government, and provided incentives for the militias to stand down. That would have prevented the slave trade and second civil war.

My main disagreement with the handling of Libya is that we didn't do enough, and basically abandoned it after Gaddafi was removed. Did we abandon Germany or Japan when their empires had been destroyed? No, we rebuilt them, and made them stronger than ever.

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The slave trade is big in Malaysia too, but Obama took them off the list of offenders to try to grease TPP through. Hope and change was such a fraud.

[Meclazine for Israel]

West Africans have enslavened each other for hundreds of years. You just never hear about it.

[I Won - Get Over It]

Thanks, Obama!

#BlackLivesMatter HawkLivesMatter

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

But Obama said it would be fine. 

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Good job Hil.

[Zioneer]

My main disagreement with the handling of Libya is that we didn't do enough, and basically abandoned it after Gaddafi was removed. Did we abandon Germany or Japan when their empires had been destroyed? No, we rebuilt them, and made them stronger than ever.

But there was something to rebuild Germany and Japan to. Libya is basically a modern political construct - what would you rebuild it to, some generic Berber/Arab state? What would that even look like?

Oh, it would remain Libya. I would rebuild it in the sense that I would make sure that former militiamen had jobs, I would provide funds to rebuild destroyed buildings and healthcare for wounded from the various factions, and other such things to cut down on despair and anger, and to provide incentives to get along.

[Zioneer]

Counterpoint on the inevitable "we shouldn't have overthrown Gaddafi": We could have developed some sort of Marshall Plan-esque fund to rebuild the country, contingent on the cessation of violence and a unity government, and provided incentives for the militias to stand down. That would have prevented the slave trade and second civil war.

My main disagreement with the handling of Libya is that we didn't do enough, and basically abandoned it after Gaddafi was removed. Did we abandon Germany or Japan when their empires had been destroyed? No, we rebuilt them, and made them stronger than ever.

Not very relevant, Germany was split into 2 & the country was essentially destroyed, there was no civil war & no radical extremists & you could build a nation for decades with help from UK, France etc. 15 years in Afghanistan & 10 years in Iraq haven't solved anything, Iraq is a total mess. Libya with already some extremist Jehadi presence with ISIS around was Ground 0 for the rise !

Japan is actually the opposite case - Emperor Hirohito was the one who did the barbaric acts, wars & killings but he was neither sentenced to death, nor punished for his war crimes. US specifically insisted that General Hirohito, the butcher, war criminal & murderer remain as the Emperor & he continued for decades - This was a guy 1000 times worse than Gaddafi & Saddam combined & almost as bad as Hitler & Mussolini & there was no regime change of this basta*d!

The generals were in charge in Japan, the emperor was extremely powerful.. but only on paper. Hirohito had no real control. And we did significantly rebuild their economy and change around their political system while leaving the Emperor in place.

And no, it isn't the same, but the principle remains the same. Libya could have been rebuilt, we just didn't do it.

Maybe Germany and Japan were incorrect examples. Greece, maybe? They had a highly ideological civil war, after all. And yes, Libya has and had jihadi presence, but I don't think that was a majority of the rebels, or even a plurality. Heck, you even had a few prominent former Gaddafi military leaders like Younis (albeit he was assassinated), and Haftar among the rebels.

[Pericles]

Good job Hil.

Trump took the same position.
"I can’t believe what our country is doing," Trump said in 2011 "Gadhafi in Libya is killing thousands of people, nobody knows how bad it is, and we’re sitting around. We have soldiers all over the Middle East, and we’re not bringing them in to stop this horrible carnage and that’s what it is: It’s a carnage.
You talk about things that have happened in history; this could be one of the worst,Now we should go in, we should stop this guy, which would be very easy and very quick. We could do it surgically, stop him from doing it, and save these lives. This is absolutely nuts. We don’t want to get involved and you’re gonna end up with something like you’ve never seen before. But we have go in to save these lives; these people are being slaughtered like animals," Trump said. "It’s horrible what’s going on; it has to be stopped. We should do on a humanitarian basis, immediately go into Libya, knock this guy out very quickly, very surgically, very effectively, and save the lives.

"At this point, if you don't get rid of Gadhafi, it's a major, major black eye for this country."-Donald Trump, March 28, 2011

[Shadows]

Counterpoint on the inevitable "we shouldn't have overthrown Gaddafi": We could have developed some sort of Marshall Plan-esque fund to rebuild the country, contingent on the cessation of violence and a unity government, and provided incentives for the militias to stand down. That would have prevented the slave trade and second civil war.

My main disagreement with the handling of Libya is that we didn't do enough, and basically abandoned it after Gaddafi was removed. Did we abandon Germany or Japan when their empires had been destroyed? No, we rebuilt them, and made them stronger than ever.

Not very relevant, Germany was split into 2 & the country was essentially destroyed, there was no civil war & no radical extremists & you could build a nation for decades with help from UK, France etc. 15 years in Afghanistan & 10 years in Iraq haven't solved anything, Iraq is a total mess. Libya with already some extremist Jehadi presence with ISIS around was Ground 0 for the rise !

Japan is actually the opposite case - Emperor Hirohito was the one who did the barbaric acts, wars & killings but he was neither sentenced to death, nor punished for his war crimes. US specifically insisted that General Hirohito, the butcher, war criminal & murderer remain as the Emperor & he continued for decades - This was a guy 1000 times worse than Gaddafi & Saddam combined & almost as bad as Hitler & Mussolini & there was no regime change of this basta*d!

The generals were in charge in Japan, the emperor was extremely powerful.. but only on paper. Hirohito had no real control. And we did significantly rebuild their economy and change around their political system while leaving the Emperor in place.

And no, it isn't the same, but the principle remains the same. Libya could have been rebuilt, we just didn't do it.

Maybe Germany and Japan were incorrect examples. Greece, maybe? They had a highly ideological civil war, after all. And yes, Libya has and had jihadi presence, but I don't think that was a majority of the rebels, or even a plurality. Heck, you even had a few prominent former Gaddafi military leaders like Younis (albeit he was assassinated), and Haftar among the rebels.

Why do you blame Mussolini or Hitler but generals in case of Japan. Even if the military had a lot of power, Hirohito was always in military uniform cheering the massacre, he was enthusiastic after every brutal assault. Hirohito was regarded as divine in Japan & nothing could have happened without his approval. He supported every attack but "Reluctantly" according to some historians. MacAurthur & propaganda machine tried to justify the decision of keeping the butcher by peddling this "reluctant" approval theory & thus he should be forgiven.

Has Afghanistan been rebuilt till now? It has no chance of being rebuilt in another decade atleast & it is 15 years. What business is there to overthrow dictators unilaterally? You yourself know damn well that this while multiple decade rebuilding plan may work or may not work. The people who were suffering are perhaps worse off. And by this action, US is justifying Russia going into any random country unilaterally & causing a mess.