VA-PPP: Northam leads in the primary

[heatcharger]

Link.

Among registered voters:

Northam 38%
Perriello 25%

Among likely voters:

Northam 42%
Perriello 28%

[Ronnie]

Whoa, that's a huge divergence from the Q poll.  It looks like undecideds might be breaking massively in Northam's favor.  Still, we should probably wait for more data points before coming to a definitive conclusion.

[The Other Castro]

Should be noted that this poll was conducted on behalf of the VEA, which endorsed Northam.

[NeverAgain]

Should be noted that this poll was conducted on behalf of the VEA, which endorsed Northam.

I would hope they wouldn't fraudulently change 24% of voters in Northam's benefit.

[The Other Castro]

Should be noted that this poll was conducted on behalf of the VEA, which endorsed Northam.

I would hope they wouldn't fraudulently change 24% of voters in Northam's benefit.

PPP wouldn't manipulate its results like that, but it's good to know who's paying for these numbers.

[Mr. Morden]

Should be noted that this poll was conducted on behalf of the VEA, which endorsed Northam.

I would hope they wouldn't fraudulently change 24% of voters in Northam's benefit.

PPP wouldn't manipulate its results like that, but it's good to know who's paying for these numbers.

But it's similar logic to any other internal: The group that pays for the poll decides if it becomes public or not, and they won't make it public if it shows a bad result for their candidate.  So even if it's a well done poll, who's to say that they didn't have some other pollster poll the race last week, and they chose to release this one rather than the other one because this one has a more Northam-friendly sample?

[The Other Castro]

Should be noted that this poll was conducted on behalf of the VEA, which endorsed Northam.

I would hope they wouldn't fraudulently change 24% of voters in Northam's benefit.

PPP wouldn't manipulate its results like that, but it's good to know who's paying for these numbers.

But it's similar logic to any other internal: The group that pays for the poll decides if it becomes public or not, and they won't make it public if it shows a bad result for their candidate.  So even if it's a well done poll, who's to say that they didn't have some other pollster poll the race last week, and they chose to release this one rather than the other one because this one has a more Northam-friendly sample?

Selective release is separate from direct manipulation of data. Both may be used to get a beneficial result, but one includes legitimate polling while the other is fraudulent. It's a good reason to be wary with internals, but given a credible polling org it should still be a result within reasonable bounds.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Junk poll!

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

Self described "fiscal conservative" Northam shouldn't have a place in the Democratic party.

[NeverAgain]

Should be noted that this poll was conducted on behalf of the VEA, which endorsed Northam.

I would hope they wouldn't fraudulently change 24% of voters in Northam's benefit.

PPP wouldn't manipulate its results like that, but it's good to know who's paying for these numbers.

Oh, of course. I just wouldn't discount the poll for possible selection (((fraud))).

Self described "fiscal conservative" Northam shouldn't have a place in the Democratic party.

Yeah, the way we bring back the party is through systematic removal of certain voters because of their past voting history. While we're at it, let's take out all of the people who are possibly a Social Conservative or Moderate on any issue. Showing that we'll discount only those that are not "All librul all the time", is  the way we'll cleanse the party of all this scum, and really bring back the Democratic Party!

[Intell]

Booo!

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

Booo!

[SoLongAtlas]

Should be noted that this poll was conducted on behalf of the VEA, which endorsed Northam.

I would hope they wouldn't fraudulently change 24% of voters in Northam's benefit.

PPP wouldn't manipulate its results like that, but it's good to know who's paying for these numbers.

Oh, of course. I just wouldn't discount the poll for possible selection (((fraud))).

Self described "fiscal conservative" Northam shouldn't have a place in the Democratic party.

Yeah, the way we bring back the party is through systematic removal of certain voters because of their past voting history. While we're at it, let's take out all of the people who are possibly a Social Conservative or Moderate on any issue. Showing that we'll discount only those that are not "All librul all the time", is  the way we'll cleanse the party of all this scum, and really bring back the Democratic Party!

^ Agree with the response. As for the bolded, the purity tests and purges are how the GOP got into its present fix. Both parties need to moderate.

[Chief Justice Keef]

Boo.

[Figueira]

Should be noted that this poll was conducted on behalf of the VEA, which endorsed Northam.

I would hope they wouldn't fraudulently change 24% of voters in Northam's benefit.

PPP wouldn't manipulate its results like that, but it's good to know who's paying for these numbers.

Oh, of course. I just wouldn't discount the poll for possible selection (((fraud))).

Self described "fiscal conservative" Northam shouldn't have a place in the Democratic party.

Yeah, the way we bring back the party is through systematic removal of certain voters because of their past voting history. While we're at it, let's take out all of the people who are possibly a Social Conservative or Moderate on any issue. Showing that we'll discount only those that are not "All librul all the time", is  the way we'll cleanse the party of all this scum, and really bring back the Democratic Party!

^ Agree with the response. As for the bolded, the purity tests and purges are how the GOP got into its present fix. Both parties need to moderate.

"Its present fix" where it essentially controls the entire federal government?

[heatcharger]

Purity tests and purges are how the GOP got into its present fix. Both parties need to moderate.

"Its present fix" where it essentially controls the entire federal government?

I think he's referring to the constant dysfunctionality and inability to govern.

[Figueira]

Purity tests and purges are how the GOP got into its present fix. Both parties need to moderate.

"Its present fix" where it essentially controls the entire federal government?

I think he's referring to the constant dysfunctionality and inability to govern.

In any case, I don't agree that the Democratic Party should purge all fiscal conservatives, but I do think that in a Virginia Democratic gubernatorial primary where either candidate looks strong in the general, it makes sense to want to avoid voting for a candidate who described themselves as "fiscally conservative," or at least count that as a mark against them.

[Intell]

Should be noted that this poll was conducted on behalf of the VEA, which endorsed Northam.

I would hope they wouldn't fraudulently change 24% of voters in Northam's benefit.

PPP wouldn't manipulate its results like that, but it's good to know who's paying for these numbers.

Oh, of course. I just wouldn't discount the poll for possible selection (((fraud))).

Self described "fiscal conservative" Northam shouldn't have a place in the Democratic party.

Yeah, the way we bring back the party is through systematic removal of certain voters because of their past voting history. While we're at it, let's take out all of the people who are possibly a Social Conservative or Moderate on any issue. Showing that we'll discount only those that are not "All librul all the time", is  the way we'll cleanse the party of all this scum, and really bring back the Democratic Party!

^ Agree with the response. As for the bolded, the purity tests and purges are how the GOP got into its present fix. Both parties need to moderate.

Controlling the house, senate, presidency, legislatures from oblivion of 08'?

[Mr. Smith]

Purity tests and purges are how the GOP got into its present fix. Both parties need to moderate.

"Its present fix" where it essentially controls the entire federal government?

I think he's referring to the constant dysfunctionality and inability to govern.

You say that as if moderation = better governing abilities.

[Virginiá]

In any case, I don't agree that the Democratic Party should purge all fiscal conservatives, but I do think that in a Virginia Democratic gubernatorial primary where either candidate looks strong in the general, it makes sense to want to avoid voting for a candidate who described themselves as "fiscally conservative," or at least count that as a mark against them.

I wish Northam was just running for reelection as Lt Gov tbh.

Controlling the house, senate, presidency, legislatures from oblivion of 08'?

He's talking about their intra-party dysfunction, and as far as the GOP's political power goes, they probably owe a lot more of that to their scorched earth policy against Obama than to ideological purity. If this was about True Conservatives™, why do we have Trump, and why is his rebuttal of certain conservative positions going over well with these Republicans who were supposed to be hungry for pure conservatives? The Republican Party is where it is today for other reasons than just that one.

[SoLongAtlas]

I was referring to the demographic fix that the GOP has gotten itself into and, yes, the fact that it can't do much due to Freedom Caucus and pure-conservative types that just block everything, not that I was against blocking the terrible AHCA.

Also, the fact that most of America lies neither in the True Conservatives or True Liberals camps but in between.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Self described "fiscal conservative" Northam shouldn't have a place in the Democratic party.

This. Democrats are supposed to be the party of the left, they are hurting their own base by wanting to pretend to be Republican-lite.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Self described "fiscal conservative" Northam shouldn't have a place in the Democratic party.

This. Democrats are supposed to be the party of the left, they are hurting their own base by wanting to pretend to be Republican-lite.

FDR didn't ever say that he wanted a tiny tent Democratic Party.

[Maxwell]

FDR also vigorously primaried (or at least attempted to) conservative Democrats who opposed his agenda.

[heatcharger]

FDR also vigorously primaried (or at least attempted to) conservative Democrats who opposed his agenda.

FDR also had the advantage that the Republicans were teetering on extinction. Conservative Democrats + Republicans were the de facto opposition, and even then that was a small caucus.