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« Reply #400 on: April 23, 2017, 05:55:11 AM »

Will cyber physical systems be part of the Labour manifesto? This definitely sounds like a winning issue for Jezza.

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« Reply #401 on: April 23, 2017, 05:56:40 AM »

You have nothing to lose but your broadband.
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« Reply #402 on: April 23, 2017, 06:00:27 AM »

BIG, if true. New national holidays? Not 1, not 2...not even 3 but 4 new national holidays!

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« Reply #403 on: April 23, 2017, 08:13:47 AM »

BIG, if true. New national holidays? Not 1, not 2...not even 3 but 4 new national holidays!



COMING NEXT WEEK: Jeremy Corbyn pledges to create a Second Christmas.
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« Reply #404 on: April 23, 2017, 08:18:21 AM »

BIG, if true. New national holidays? Not 1, not 2...not even 3 but 4 new national holidays!



COMING NEXT WEEK: Jeremy Corbyn pledges to create a Second Christmas.

Appropriate for the western politician most resembling Santa Claus!
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« Reply #405 on: April 23, 2017, 08:20:24 AM »

Will cyber physical systems be part of the Labour manifesto? This definitely sounds like a winning issue for Jezza.



Sounds like something a Doctor Who villain would say as part of his quest to become PM to convert the populace into cybermen.
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« Reply #406 on: April 23, 2017, 10:09:16 AM »

Tim Farron is continuing to dig himself into a hole over whether gay sex is a sin. 
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« Reply #407 on: April 23, 2017, 11:39:22 AM »

Tories getting close to 50% with ICM online CON 48 +2 LAB 26 +1 LD 10 -1 UKIP 8=
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« Reply #408 on: April 23, 2017, 12:11:50 PM »

Who exactly is still voting Labour in Scotland?
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« Reply #409 on: April 23, 2017, 12:25:30 PM »

Tim Farron is continuing to dig himself into a hole over whether gay sex is a sin. 
I think the attacks on him are repugnant. Now I don't believe in god or sins but Farron does, he is also a Liberal and as long as he believes the state should be neutral on that account and treats gay people impartially as a public figure, his own private thoughts are his own. That's true Liberalism, tolerance is towards things you personally disapprove of.
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« Reply #410 on: April 23, 2017, 01:47:00 PM »


The kind of people who vote Labour in rural SE England, presumably.
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« Reply #411 on: April 23, 2017, 03:33:11 PM »

Tories getting close to 50% with ICM online CON 48 +2 LAB 26 +1 LD 10 -1 UKIP 8=

Another beautiful poll for our beautiful Prime Minister!
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« Reply #412 on: April 23, 2017, 04:26:16 PM »

Tim Farron is continuing to dig himself into a hole over whether gay sex is a sin.  
I think the attacks on him are repugnant. Now I don't believe in god or sins but Farron does, he is also a Liberal and as long as he believes the state should be neutral on that account and treats gay people impartially as a public figure, his own private thoughts are his own. That's true Liberalism, tolerance is towards things you personally disapprove of.

It does make you leery of what he would advocate for vs. what he would roll over on when pushed, but I agree overall that it is not a huge deal in light of the fact that he voted to legalize same-sex marriage, e.g. (and this on a vote where four Lib Dems voted against, so there was no particular pressure to conform to the party line).

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-21346694
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« Reply #413 on: April 24, 2017, 07:04:26 AM »

ICM/Guardian poll (21-24 Apr)
Con 48 (+2)
Lab 27 (+2)
LD 10 (-1)
UKIP 7 (-1)
Greens 3 (-1)

CON+UKIP at 55 LAB+LIB at 37 which fits my view that almost all the polls have it CON+UKIP at 53-55 and LAB+LIB at 35-37.
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« Reply #414 on: April 24, 2017, 08:42:56 AM »

question: isn't there some sort of Fairness Doctrine type thing that requires tv/radio to give equal time to May supporters and Corbyn supporters or something to that effect? and/or maybe equal positive coverage of both for the duration of the campaign?

If so I think Corbyn might get an unexpected (if small) bump in the polls on account of receiving positive news coverage for once
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« Reply #415 on: April 24, 2017, 08:44:34 AM »

is there any chance of the SNP over-playing their cards through hammering a not-totally-popular leave-strategy in the hour of crisis or is May covering their bases through simply blocking it?
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« Reply #416 on: April 24, 2017, 08:45:03 AM »

Who exactly is still voting Labour in Scotland?

Me and my 89 year old gran, who's voting labour because "her father always did" (in fairness, as he was a miner, although he'd obviously vote UKIP now, she's probably right)
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« Reply #417 on: April 24, 2017, 10:13:30 AM »

question: isn't there some sort of Fairness Doctrine type thing that requires tv/radio to give equal time to May supporters and Corbyn supporters or something to that effect? and/or maybe equal positive coverage of both for the duration of the campaign?

If so I think Corbyn might get an unexpected (if small) bump in the polls on account of receiving positive news coverage for once

Yep- I can't remember the formal name but the coverage has to be equal. It was laughable during the referendum as Remain would have Admirals/Generals etc come out in favour, and Leave get equal coverage for some far right Academic (the same applies on the far left; like TUSC getting a Party Political broadcast in 2015) but I'm a biased hack Tongue
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« Reply #418 on: April 24, 2017, 10:20:36 AM »

YouGov poll of Wales:

CON 40 (21 seats)
LAB 30 (15 seats)
PC 13 (3 seats)
LD 8 (1 seat)
UKIP 6
GRN 2
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« Reply #419 on: April 24, 2017, 10:31:44 AM »

YouGov poll of Wales:

CON 40 (21 seats)
LAB 30 (15 seats)
PC 13 (3 seats)
LD 8 (1 seat)
UKIP 6
GRN 2
Shocking. First Tory majority since 1922
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« Reply #420 on: April 24, 2017, 10:37:44 AM »

YouGov poll of Wales:

CON 40 (21 seats)
LAB 30 (15 seats)
PC 13 (3 seats)
LD 8 (1 seat)
UKIP 6
GRN 2
Shocking. First Tory majority since 1922

My impression is that CON did not get a majority in Wales either in 1922.  I do not think CON has ever been the largest party in Wales ever.
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« Reply #421 on: April 24, 2017, 11:01:46 AM »

My instinct is these figures are the overinflated results you sometimes get at early campaigns, but i cant deny wanting to vomit as I read these figures.


Fun fact: the Communist Party aren't putting any candidates up for the first time.
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« Reply #422 on: April 24, 2017, 11:05:29 AM »

Wales had very odd politics during the inter-war years due to the resilience of the Liberal Party in the countryside, so comparisons aren't particularly useful (even if they do add to the psychological response to such figures).

Anyway, this fits within the general framework of YouGov's UK-wide polls so is basically as expected. Would be good (well useful) if other firms polled Wales a few times during the campaign actually.

It is worth noting, just for the record, that Welsh polling does have a long track record of exaggerating support for parties with obvious momentum, even more so than for UK-wide polls.
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« Reply #423 on: April 24, 2017, 12:32:37 PM »

YouGov poll of Wales:

CON 40 (21 seats)
LAB 30 (15 seats)
PC 13 (3 seats)
LD 8 (1 seat)
UKIP 6
GRN 2
Shocking. First Tory majority since 1922

My impression is that CON did not get a majority in Wales either in 1922.  I do not think CON has ever been the largest party in Wales ever.
Correction: according to the New Statesman it will the first time since 1922 Labour didn't win a majority in Wales.

Of course early polling are misleading and I guess we'll see the margin growing narrower but the picture as of now is quite dismal. This is also going to be the first election I am not going to support Labour and encourage my friends who can vote to put their support with the Liberals. So on a personal note I'm sad, when I was a socialist youth I spent a week campaigning for Labour (and watching Spurs of course) and I have always read Labour publications, so I do feel in some sense a close affinity to Labour and I saw it severed the past year.
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« Reply #424 on: April 24, 2017, 01:28:45 PM »

Wales had very odd politics during the inter-war years due to the resilience of the Liberal Party in the countryside, so comparisons aren't particularly useful (even if they do add to the psychological response to such figures).

Anyway, this fits within the general framework of YouGov's UK-wide polls so is basically as expected. Would be good (well useful) if other firms polled Wales a few times during the campaign actually.

It is worth noting, just for the record, that Welsh polling does have a long track record of exaggerating support for parties with obvious momentum, even more so than for UK-wide polls.

Interesting tidbit from ElectionData twitter.

'The over 65 population grew by 20% in Wales since 2005, whilst younger populations flatlined or declined. Impact now being seen politically.'
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