anyone agree that conservative and liberal are contextual?
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« on: April 20, 2017, 01:57:26 PM »

For instance, I think that the political structure in britain wouldn't easily translate to the united states because there isn't a lot of rural areas or not as many in britain.

From what I know - a state like Massachusetts would be most comparable to Britain. Conservatism in somewhere like Massachusetts, for instance, is not quite the same thing as that in Missouri. Conservatism in Massachusetts would most likely be that in the context of an ethnic Irish/Italian working class area and doing what they can to defend such area (similar to Britain).

The more embarassing type of conservatism in the united states is what I call americultism. The most visible proponents of this would be Dana Loesch, Eric Ericson and Glenn Beck. Because somewhere like Britain or RI/MA/CT is not very rural - that type of conservatism would mostly be DOA there.

It's kind of hard for me to explain - but does anyone sort of get what I'm saying?
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2017, 02:09:38 PM »

Of course. Like how Le Pen is "far right"in france but a probable democrat here.
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2017, 02:18:08 PM »

Of course. Like how Le Pen is "far right"in france but a probable democrat here.

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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2017, 02:31:48 PM »

The idea that conservatism in Massachusetts isn't particularly nationalistic is ludicrous.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2017, 02:43:59 PM »

Of course. Like how Le Pen is "far right"in france but a probable democrat here.

Nah - I don't think Le Pen's economic point of view would be the same in France as it would be in America. Like in other countries, political parties in the United States aren't 100% in ideologies but in culture - and I doubt Le Pen or Fillon would be in the culturally "progressive" party. This could probably be better worded.

Bernie would never be a Torie anywhere, for example.
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2017, 03:41:00 PM »

The idea that conservatism in Massachusetts isn't particularly nationalistic is ludicrous.

i'm not saying it wouldn't be nationalistic - but it would have an urban, foul-mouthed townie aspect to it as opposed to the "America f-ck yeah" vibe to someone like Loesch or Erickson.
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2017, 04:08:39 PM »

The idea that conservatism in Massachusetts isn't particularly nationalistic is ludicrous.

i'm not saying it wouldn't be nationalistic - but it would have an urban, foul-mouthed townie aspect to it as opposed to the "America f-ck yeah" vibe to someone like Loesch or Erickson.

Massachusetts conservatism is exurban, not Southie-based.
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2017, 07:26:58 PM »

"European conservatives have accepted the welfare state as being an untouchable status quo, therefore they're all basically progressive Democrats"
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2017, 11:26:58 AM »

What's the difference between Massachusetts conservatism and New Jersey conservatism?
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2017, 11:31:02 AM »

"European conservatives have accepted the welfare state as being an untouchable status quo, therefore they're all basically progressive Democrats"

     That's the silliest line people come out with, not least because thinking for two minutes about the nature of a status quo refutes it. Conservative and liberal are highly contextual, and the fact that people will act like they're not leads to all sorts of absurd conclusions.
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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2017, 12:01:12 PM »

Completely agree. I'm a hard core conservative in America but I'd be considered  a liberal if I lived in Russia or Turkey
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2017, 01:07:47 PM »

Yes, for instance Reagan Conservatism is essentially a basket of issue positions that cater to a largely sunbelt demographic in the 1970's and 1980's. Which is a good reason why it is breaking down to a large extent now.
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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2017, 06:00:34 PM »

They are words, so yes.
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2017, 06:03:29 PM »

I think it's important to distinguish between "conservative" as in pro status quo or pro traditional order and "conservatism" the GOP ideology that began with Goldwater and Reagan. They are related but not synonymous terms.
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2017, 09:29:16 PM »

Shall we continue entertaining elementary-level political theory questions?
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